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ok, so munch is a little brat... nipped tsuka's toe when he landed on her cage, she got him through the bars. no skin broken or nothing. just scared him.
dally landed on her cage and she grabs her foot as soon as she landed and now dally has a broken toe... its broke right at the tip where the claw is, we got the bleeding under control, it took a bit though. cleaned it up with peroxide and bird antiseptic cream. also used corn starch to stop bleeding, washed that off and bandaged it for the night so it doesnt reopen again. tomorrow morning it will be cleaned again and checked up on....

what am i gonna do with munch some days... shes giving me grey hair and she picks the worst times to do all this...

but now theres a pillow case on top of munchs cage so no more toes get bit...

dally should heal good... its not bad, she might just have a slightly crooked toe after it heals. it bled a lot, but shes not showing any signs of distress or weakness. just not standing on the foot all the time, but i dont quite blame her... we made a makeshift bandage for the night, using a human bandaid just cut birdy size. shes not picking at it and its keeping the bleeding to a minimum and letting it close up a bit overnight.

i know theres not much to do about broken toes but i cant help but worry... its garanteed broken as it is crooked and slightly twisted.

my question is, do i let the wound air out tomorrow, but it leaves her toe unprotected and unalligned. bandaged, i worry it will keep infection in but it keeps the toe straight and protected from being banged up... what do i do on that one?




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Aw, poor Dally! Calling them "lovebirds" sure is a misnomer LOL. They're beautiful and spunky but they pack a whollop when they're being crabby mischief makers.

I think I'd say leave the wound to air, with my reasoning being on the side of "nature taking its course". Birds are fragile in many ways but they do recover from things a bit quicker than we give them credit for -- in the wild a bird with a broken toe just learns to adapt. I know, Dally's not a wild bird, etc. But I think if you leave it bandaged you do open up the possibility of other problems and the wound getting a bit messy. Oxygen to it will help the clotting process etc. Plus unfortunately there are not any animals that I know of (including humans!) for whom bandaging a broken toe or finger actually does much to help with the healing.

Of course, the experts may say differently. This is just IMHO.

Good luck! Feel better Dally
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i did an open splint as the toe was crooked, but left the wound open so i can continue to clean it and let the wound air out. did it all by myself and she was such a good girl and sat so still and i had that thing made and on her in ten minutes! and shes not even freaking out about it. just grooming it.









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Aww . . . Poor baby , hope she feels better soon

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awwh poor thing! I hope she gets better, I've never had a bird break a toe, I imagine it hurts. I've broken 3 of mine and that was like the worst stubbing of my toes ever. Foul language soon followed


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yeah ive broken my pinky toe 3 times and have snapped fingers... so i know very well how that feels. shes doing pretty well though. id be crying. shes sleeping right now after the long night. its now 5 am and ive been up keeping it clean and stopping the bleeding off and on and making the splint to help stop knocking the toe thats causing the bleeding... she lost a little over a teaspoon of blood, so not good but shes not showing signs of shock or other complications. we syringed honey water as honey is a good way to keep energy up and it is a natural antibiotic. and ive been monitoring her throughout the night. shes hardly bothered by the splint, though shes holding that foot up. it will be cleaned and disinfected again in the morning.



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awh poor thing, I hope the bleeding stops!


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it stopped when i put the splint on. i had it bandaged until that point. it was needed to stop the bleeding



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ohh! sorry I misread haha


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If it is kept open to the air the main thing will be to make sure it is kept as clean as possible... if she is anything like my conure she will have to step in every poop she does..lol Poor girl... Munch is that any way to repay all of the love and work that has gone into keeping you feeling good?? My p'let and hen budgie used to bite each others toes thru the bars... now no one gets to be on anyone elses cage...lol. I would love to get pexi glass to lay on the top of my cages so it is still clear but there is no way anyone can bite anyone else threw it.
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toe looks really good this morning, gave it another clean and put the antiseptic cream on. shes eating, climbing the cage and everything and shes still not bothering the splint.
shes standing on it this morning!






yeah im not too impressed, but what can i do... munch has really bad timing for everyone.

the toe is gonna be cleaned with peroxide a few times a day and have the cream on it 2 times a day and made sure its cleaned. just until the wound scabs over



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Looks like you have done a very good job on putting a splint on that toe. I think she'll be fine.

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i removed the splint as the scab that was forming was sticking to the splint. not worth the infection it could cause



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Elisa recently broke her toe and subsequently lost it. I took her to an emergency avian vet for initial treatment, because, naturally, she did it on a Saturday and when my own avian vet was out of town. They amputated the part of the toe that they could tell was affected, but later more of the toe died and was picked off or sluffed off. The entire process took several weeks. The toe and entire foot was infected and swollen for some time.

I learned from both avian vets and from people on the linnie forum that bird toes are different from human toes. They do not have the ciruclation human digits have. Even in humans, digits have notoriously bad circulation, but in birds this is even less. In humans, one needs to be concerned that gang green will set in when the wound doesn't heal quickly, but in birds, the toes generally just die and fall off. This is the way birds are made, and it is for their own protection. If there has been significant enough damage, and I am not saying there has been, but if the damage has been significant, the toe will die and sluff off. It will be difficult to watch, but it should not be life-threatening unless the damage was all the way up into the thigh of the bird, and there is no reason to believe that is the case here.

Elisa's toe just kept dying off little by little for several weeks, and my avian vet thinks that is because she probably got the entire foot caught in something at first. It could have just been that the toenail itself was caught and the trauma from that and then subsequent infection caused most of the toe to die.

Not all toe bites result in the loss of the toe, so please don't think I am predicting that. I am not. I have seen many toes bitten at the bird store that were not lost. They often put liquid bandage on to stop bleeding. It works really well. That is manufactured for humans, but works well for birds. I have also heard of people using a tiny drop of super glue, but that would be more frightening for me than liquid bandage would be, but if it saved a bird's life, well worth it.

I don't have any liquid bandage here, but I should get some. It would be better for me to be prepared for a bleeding emergency.


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well i was away for the weekend, dally was in the care of a friend and her toe looks great! my friend kept up with the ointment and shes doing very well.

and nanay, thats scary i wonder how often that happens though? i know someone whos bird broke his toe and he got an infection but with antibiotics he was fine. thats a scary thought, watching them lose a foot like that



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That only happens when the circulation has been compromised. A bite, or even just catching a single toe, wouldn't do that. I only mentioned it in case there was enough loss of blood to cause that kind of damage - and then only because I spent a TON at the vet's office, and in the end the damage actually corrected itself, because birds' feet/toes are made to sluff off to prevent infection. I knew it had been tight with vet expenses with Munch, so thought I would just prepare you for the idea that even if worse came to worst, nature would probably protect - sorry, can't remember if we are talking about Dally or Tsuka here.

You did a great job treating her. I imagine that the toe will heal just fine with no long-term issues. I do not expect her toe to die. Yet, if it would, I wanted you to know it would not be your fault, nor would you have been able to have changed the outcome even if you had spent a ton of money at a vet's.


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no, i know her toe wouldnt die off from this, im just curious as thats actually new information to me and its interesting. makes the human body seem... less functional lol

we are talking bout dally lol tsuka is another toe biter lol dally is always the toe bitee!



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Hope Dally gets better soon.


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I'm glad to know the toe is getting better!

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