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hi everyone just curious about something. my husband hunts and we both would love to try falconry. does any one here do this? i know some of you have raptor birds but i was wondering if any one hunts with them. i have always wanted to try this but i know i most likely will not have one of my own. if you do this can you please tell me what it is like and what kind of relationship you have with the bird you hunt.

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I do know Jeremy (Falconflyer) on Tailfeathers, he is a super person with these birds.
He is one of those who does get to work with a lot of hunting birds.
And his knowledge seems to be very good.
And he is always happy to share his experience's with others.
Not sure he hunts with them, but they are certainly target trained. Free flighted and carry location transmitters.
http://www.tailfeathersnetwork.com/c...41-FalconFlyer
Sorry I do not know anyone here that comes close to Jeremy.


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I do know Jeremy (Falconflyer) on Tailfeathers, he is a super person with these birds.
He is one of those who does get to work with a lot of hunting birds.
And his knowledge seems to be very good.
And he is always happy to share his experience's with others.
Not sure he hunts with them, but they are certainly target trained. Free flighted and carry location transmitters.
http://www.tailfeathersnetwork.com/c...41-FalconFlyer
Sorry I do not know anyone here that comes close to Jeremy.
thank you for the info i will look them up and see what kind of info i can find out

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Check out if you have a local Falconry club near you. They are stocked full of knowledge!



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i can't seem to find one the nearest i found was in another state. but i will continue to look

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I train raptors but do not hunt. To train birds of prey you usually use falconry techniques so anything up to the actual catching of the prey is the same. The relationship varies from birds to birds. The centre I used to work at housed over 80 different raptors and everybody was unique. Some hate you, some love you. My Harris' hawk adores me but my American kestrel is neutral and very food aggressive


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I train raptors but do not hunt. To train birds of prey you usually use falconry techniques so anything up to the actual catching of the prey is the same. The relationship varies from birds to birds. The centre I used to work at housed over 80 different raptors and everybody was unique. Some hate you, some love you. My Harris' hawk adores me but my American kestrel is neutral and very food aggressive


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so in away it is a lot like our pet birds. some become very bonded to you and some never really care for you or just does not care either way. and just like our FIDS each one is unique that is very interesting thank you for the info

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Hi Lisa! We had a member on the linnie forum who was a master falconer and highly recommended this forum http://www.nafex.net/forum.php as a starting point. They can point you in the right direction in regards to state legislation, local falconers, and a local association. I know different states have different regulations, but most require you get a license thru the state and do an apprenticeship under a master falconer. It's a lot of work to train them to hunt, you have to fly them every day and keep a VERY close eye on their weight and health but it's also a lot of fun. Keep an eye out for local renaissance faires - falconers usually do demos there and you can ask advice and opinions from someone who works in the field.

It's something I've done a good bit of research for and will be doing as soon as we have time and space, I think it's a beautiful art, very useful, and a lot of fun! Used to go to the falconry demos every year at the ren faire and spend most of my day with the falconer and got to volunteer there and help him out a bit. What birds do you want to keep/what prey do you want to hunt? Are you comfortable with feeding and caring for the bird and field cleaning/dressing a kill? It can be fairly nitty gritty, can't be squeamish. Gareth and I plan on getting a pair of Harris to take down bigger prey, like rabbits and small game, and a falcon (saker would be my favorite ) to take down birds like quail, pheasants, etc



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I dug around and found this thread from Jeremy.
http://www.tailfeathersnetwork.com/c...025#post820025

He has his own birds. But also helps out at Radical Raptors.
Here is a link to where he also helps out with the birds.
http://radicalraptors.com/default.html

PLEASE NOTE THIS LINK DOES DISCUSS FREE FLIGHT.
I have been looking for this thread on how they train them.
http://www.tailfeathersnetwork.com/c...158#post812158


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I wouldn't go as far as saying they're bonded to you, but they can be content. Chalkie is pretty bonded to me and I don't think he'd cope without me, but that's because I got him as a chick and I've had him for his whole 8 years. Only 2-3 other people have flown him

Jenny, sakers are lovely birds. I've worked with a few and temporarily owned one. Socrates was the one I would fly regularly at the centre. He was a pain! He didn't stoop to the lure, he'd just fly off. He'd go up and up and up until he was nothing but a spec and you'd put the lure on the ground and he'd come down. That was it. No chasing or anything. But every time I handled him I ended up with a nasty bite of I got footed. Best was he gained height and stooped at my hand when I tried to get the lure out and as I moved it out the way he went full pelt into my stomach. Needless to say I felt a bit shook up sakers are probably the best out there for taking ground game. A Harris' can take a rabbit, easy peasy, on it's own. Well, our rabbits anyway. I don't know if you guys have bigger ones! A saker is the only falcon I can think of that enjoys taking ground game so you could try him/her on rabbits too my favourite of the falcons to fly are the lanners or lanner x peregrines. Lanners are very fancy in flight, they love to try and catch you out with impressive flips and twists. They go right into the sun so you can't see them, stoop, go back up and will literally do a back flip to come back down. Amazing birds. Cross them with a peregrine and you get speed behind them too!
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Hi Lisa! We had a member on the linnie forum who was a master falconer and highly recommended this forum http://www.nafex.net/forum.php as a starting point. They can point you in the right direction in regards to state legislation, local falconers, and a local association. I know different states have different regulations, but most require you get a license thru the state and do an apprenticeship under a master falconer. It's a lot of work to train them to hunt, you have to fly them every day and keep a VERY close eye on their weight and health but it's also a lot of fun. Keep an eye out for local renaissance faires - falconers usually do demos there and you can ask advice and opinions from someone who works in the field.

It's something I've done a good bit of research for and will be doing as soon as we have time and space, I think it's a beautiful art, very useful, and a lot of fun! Used to go to the falconry demos every year at the ren faire and spend most of my day with the falconer and got to volunteer there and help him out a bit. What birds do you want to keep/what prey do you want to hunt? Are you comfortable with feeding and caring for the bird and field cleaning/dressing a kill? It can be fairly nitty gritty, can't be squeamish. Gareth and I plan on getting a pair of Harris to take down bigger prey, like rabbits and small game, and a falcon (saker would be my favorite ) to take down birds like quail, pheasants, etc
I have not got as far as which bird or which kind of game i would like to hunt. just doing a lot of research not even sure if i would ever be able to get one but i would love to watch and maybe try it once. as far as cleaning and dressing it that would not be a problem. i know i could not do quail or pheasants not enough here for that plus that is my dogs job hate to take their job from them. rabbits maybe a idea. i wonder if all the hawks we have around here would be an issue when doing this. thank you for your help i still have a lot to look into

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thank you Clive and Daisy you have all helped me get a start on my research. i got to go to something called a buckarama they had all kinds of hunting stuff and at one booth they had falcons that was the first time i got to talk to them i still did not learn everything i wanted to know i am not sure what kind all of them where they had 3 but one i new as a red tail hawk very pretty bird. what amazed me was the bird was so calm even though there was hundreds of people i hope to go again and maybe learn some more. thank you all again for your help

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I wouldn't go as far as saying they're bonded to you, but they can be content. Chalkie is pretty bonded to me and I don't think he'd cope without me, but that's because I got him as a chick and I've had him for his whole 8 years. Only 2-3 other people have flown him

Jenny, sakers are lovely birds. I've worked with a few and temporarily owned one. Socrates was the one I would fly regularly at the centre. He was a pain! He didn't stoop to the lure, he'd just fly off. He'd go up and up and up until he was nothing but a spec and you'd put the lure on the ground and he'd come down. That was it. No chasing or anything. But every time I handled him I ended up with a nasty bite of I got footed. Best was he gained height and stooped at my hand when I tried to get the lure out and as I moved it out the way he went full pelt into my stomach. Needless to say I felt a bit shook up sakers are probably the best out there for taking ground game. A Harris' can take a rabbit, easy peasy, on it's own. Well, our rabbits anyway. I don't know if you guys have bigger ones! A saker is the only falcon I can think of that enjoys taking ground game so you could try him/her on rabbits too my favourite of the falcons to fly are the lanners or lanner x peregrines. Lanners are very fancy in flight, they love to try and catch you out with impressive flips and twists. They go right into the sun so you can't see them, stoop, go back up and will literally do a back flip to come back down. Amazing birds. Cross them with a peregrine and you get speed behind them too!
What a stinker! The main reason I want a pair of harris is they are so fun to watch in flight. The falconer I did a bit of work with in FL had a team of three, a female and two males, and would fly them together in demos. So fun to watch them hunt as a pack and work together to take something down with the big girl as the boss. He'd take off with the lure, dragging it behind his horse, and they'd stage themselves along the run and each take a go at it and loop around together. Neat stuff!

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I have not got as far as which bird or which kind of game i would like to hunt. just doing a lot of research not even sure if i would ever be able to get one but i would love to watch and maybe try it once. as far as cleaning and dressing it that would not be a problem. i know i could not do quail or pheasants not enough here for that plus that is my dogs job hate to take their job from them. rabbits maybe a idea. i wonder if all the hawks we have around here would be an issue when doing this. thank you for your help i still have a lot to look into
You could always look into keeping them more for sport than real hunting, just work them on the lure and take them out occasionally. Dogs are actually really great companion hunters with the birds, they range and flush the game and the hawk takes it down. The catch is teaching the dog not to retrieve



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What a stinker! The main reason I want a pair of harris is they are so fun to watch in flight. The falconer I did a bit of work with in FL had a team of three, a female and two males, and would fly them together in demos. So fun to watch them hunt as a pack and work together to take something down with the big girl as the boss. He'd take off with the lure, dragging it behind his horse, and they'd stage themselves along the run and each take a go at it and loop around together. Neat stuff!



You could always look into keeping them more for sport than real hunting, just work them on the lure and take them out occasionally. Dogs are actually really great companion hunters with the birds, they range and flush the game and the hawk takes it down. The catch is teaching the dog not to retrieve
very true my husband would problem love taking the bird duck hunting lol

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