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Too or Macaw and what spiecies

Now questioning what parrot I want. I did think I wanted a too, after some research I'm leaning toward a Macaw. These are the traits I want in a bird; people oriented (can bond with more than one person), ability to be good with kids (don't have kids but a niece and nephew), can also bond with a mate without losing the pet qualities, cuddly, affectionate, good talking ability, wants to learn and do tricks, health, and good breeders (not sure if I want to breed but I may want to) thanks for any feed back!!! PS I love the scarlet colors but read that they are more irritable than other, looking at B&G'S, GW, or Hybrids.
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The problem with birds is that every bird is an individual. You can get a 'one person' bird with any bird unfortunately. You never choose the bird, the bird chooses you I would not personally allow a child to handle a macaw what so ever. They are BIG birds and a bite can do a whole lotta damage. By all means, they can observe the bird but I wouldn't allow them to be too close. Hand raised and well handled baby macaws can be very cuddly, but I have noticed with many birds that they are usually way, way more cuddly through their baby phases before they hit sexual maturity. Blue and golds are probably the best talkers, though they won't necessarily talk and even if they do they don't have an enormous vocabulary in most cases, just the odd word or phrase. Birds may or may not choose another bird over you. I've had birds remain tame but I've also had those who don't. Tricks depend on the individual bird and how much time and effort you put into training them to do things. Health, again on the individual. Any bird you get needs to go straight to your avian vet (the day you get them preferably) for full blood work and disease testing. Macaws are difficult to breed, they take far longer to mature and are not very prolific. The more 'reliable' to breed are small species of parrots. You also have to ask yourself why you want to breed and if you can put the effort into doing so

Scarlet and military macaws can be pretty irritable birds, but again, that depends on the individual. In most cases though, they can go from a very sweet, cuddly baby to hitting maturity and becoming quite violent. All birds go through those hormonal changes though and most do become irritable during that period of time
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I know it's always a possibility to have a bird with a personality and behaviors different than the majority of the breed of bird. If I do decide to breed down the road it would be for the the beauty and the ability to share these beauties with others. I am currently a cat breeder and because I love my Devon Rexes personality and beauty I want others to experience that as well and to breed for confirmation personality and health. I also show my cats which makes me feel proud. :0) I thank you for all your knowledge and for sharing it with me.
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Firstly if you think you want to breed dont even bother with a hybrid, there is no need at all to cross breed them. You end up with a very confused bird. We are killing off enough species as it is without creating hybrids instead of [reserving pure blood lines.

What kind of experience have you got with larger birds?
Honestly toos and Macs are not first birds for people, toos are very demanding of time, more so than a lot of other species and they are more prone to self mutilitation if they don't get what they think is enough attention.

Macaws are also very demanding, there is no guarantee at all any bird you get will talk or will learn tricks, or will breed for you.

Macaws for most species you should be waiting till they are 10 before thinking of breeding them, and then it is very challenging and a lot can wrong, would you be prepared to potentionally loose your bird and or chicks when breeding? Can you afford the enourmous vets bills if something goes wrong and it is an emergency.

They are also very destructive, they go through a heck of a lot of toys, they need a massive amount of space and a good strong cage.

I would not have any toos or macaws around children personally, even if you have the sweetest cuddliest bird if it gets spooked and it lashes out at the child that is serious damage done in a split second.

Scarlets are known for getting very aggressive once they hit maturity, my friend has one they had a chick, as a baby it was the sweetest thing, once it hit maturity it is completely unhandlable by anyone and will take chunks out of anyone who tries.

During breeding season you will likely friend if you pair them up they will protect each other from you, they aren't always going to stay tame when breeding, more the exception than the rule.


With the qualities you are looking for there are much better options out there in the smaller parrots.
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Now questioning what parrot I want. I did think I wanted a too, after some research I'm leaning toward a Macaw. These are the traits I want in a bird; people oriented (can bond with more than one person), ability to be good with kids (don't have kids but a niece and nephew), can also bond with a mate without losing the pet qualities, cuddly, affectionate, good talking ability, wants to learn and do tricks, health, and good breeders (not sure if I want to breed but I may want to) thanks for any feed back!!! PS I love the scarlet colors but read that they are more irritable than other, looking at B&G'S, GW, or Hybrids.
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Firstly if you think you want to breed dont even bother with a hybrid, there is no need at all to cross breed them. You end up with a very confused bird. We are killing off enough species as it is without creating hybrids instead of [reserving pure blood lines.

What kind of experience have you got with larger birds?
Honestly toos and Macs are not first birds for people, toos are very demanding of time, more so than a lot of other species and they are more prone to self mutilitation if they don't get what they think is enough attention.

Macaws are also very demanding, there is no guarantee at all any bird you get will talk or will learn tricks, or will breed for you.

Macaws for most species you should be waiting till they are 10 before thinking of breeding them, and then it is very challenging and a lot can wrong, would you be prepared to potentionally loose your bird and or chicks when breeding? Can you afford the enourmous vets bills if something goes wrong and it is an emergency.

They are also very destructive, they go through a heck of a lot of toys, they need a massive amount of space and a good strong cage.

I would not have any toos or macaws around children personally, even if you have the sweetest cuddliest bird if it gets spooked and it lashes out at the child that is serious damage done in a split second.

Scarlets are known for getting very aggressive once they hit maturity, my friend has one they had a chick, as a baby it was the sweetest thing, once it hit maturity it is completely unhandlable by anyone and will take chunks out of anyone who tries.

During breeding season you will likely friend if you pair them up they will protect each other from you, they aren't always going to stay tame when breeding, more the exception than the rule.


With the qualities you are looking for there are much better options out there in the smaller parrots.
Thanks for the reply. I'm not even sure if I want to breed yet I will determine that down the road. I also disagree about hybrids I wouldn't be maintaining bloodlines when it comes to wild birds anyhow so that doesn't make sense to me. Besides if you are smart about breeding any animals you breed for health and temperament. I get that it is difficult to determine how a group of birds temperament overall for the species would be because with most any animals personality has the ability to override the greater majorities temperament. I appreciate your opinions though.
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Wow, toos and macaws are probably the most difficult birds to provide for. Do you have any bird experience. You mentioned you breed cats and might be up for the challenge of a macaw, but birds are very different from other animals (although kind of like cats in that they are moody ).

The reason most people frown upon breeding hybrids, because unlike dogs and cats that have different breeds, the macaws are different species. By muddling the genetics, it would be very difficult to breed "pure" birds and since there are strict limitations on capturing wild birds, if care is not taken, the species might disappear from the pet trade....which would be a shame.

It's different when people try to breed a mutation, which is the same species, but with a new/different gene which causes the bird to look different somehow (how we get all the different color varieties of budgies, cockatiels, linnies, etc.)

so if there is a chance of you wanting to breed in the future, the ethical thing would be to find a non-hybridized bird and then breeding for health and temperament. It sounds like you are an ethical breeder, and just like it wouldn't really be good to cross your purebred cats to other breeds, it would be even less good to cross two members of a different species.

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dont tell me this is your first bird???
Not my first bird but my first parrot. I had taken care of my friends Moluccan Too from time to time.
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I really don't understand what it is, but so many people I have encountered in this forum are rude, opinionated, know-it-all's.
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Wow, toos and macaws are probably the most difficult birds to provide for. Do you have any bird experience. You mentioned you breed cats and might be up for the challenge of a macaw, but birds are very different from other animals (although kind of like cats in that they are moody ).

The reason most people frown upon breeding hybrids, because unlike dogs and cats that have different breeds, the macaws are different species. By muddling the genetics, it would be very difficult to breed "pure" birds and since there are strict limitations on capturing wild birds, if care is not taken, the species might disappear from the pet trade....which would be a shame.

It's different when people try to breed a mutation, which is the same species, but with a new/different gene which causes the bird to look different somehow (how we get all the different color varieties of budgies, cockatiels, linnies, etc.)

so if there is a chance of you wanting to breed in the future, the ethical thing would be to find a non-hybridized bird and then breeding for health and temperament. It sounds like you are an ethical breeder, and just like it wouldn't really be good to cross your purebred cats to other breeds, it would be even less good to cross two members of a different species.
Thank you, I really appreciate your response because you were friendly and informative, instead of like so many members here who are just rude. when I had mentioned hybrids it wasn't that I wanted to breed them it was more about finding a bird with more positive traits than other species of Macaws. I just happened to mention breeding capabilities for something I don't know if I want to do yet anyhow. Just like to have the knowledge of some of the differences of different species. Thanks again!
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I had to make sure I was on the right forum reading through this post. I've been a member of a zillion forums over the years and this one is one of the friendliest and helpful. Just because someone doesn't approve or agree with your thoughts doesn't make them rude.

If you're interested in breeding either of these species I'd recommend visiting with a local breeder if you can to see what it's like and what's involved. It's pretty unlikely that your pets will remain tame after becoming breeders (assuming they are successful.)

FWIW I'm another one who is highly opposed to hybridizing macaws and toos, but to each their own.

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I really don't understand what it is, but so many people I have encountered in this forum are rude, opinionated, know-it-all's.
I dont think anyone was trying to come across as rude or opinionated... we as a group , always have the best interests of the birds in mind. We have seen to many big birds ( and small birds too for that matter ) bought and passed from home to home because the people thought the bird was a pretty, interactive, talking toy type pet... the reality of a messy, screaming biting bird was more than they expected and more than they could or wanted to handle... so the bird was dumped... time after time after time... with no regard for the birds welfare... now no one thinks that this is what you would do... they just try to prepare you and educate you about the birds you have asked about. As far as hybrids go... this is frowned upon in the bird world as many of these birds are rare or declining in their native habitat... if they were ever needed to restock wild populations the strains would need to be as pure as possible.. if the species are all muddied up by hybreeding that would not be possible.

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I had to make sure I was on the right forum reading through this post. I've been a member of a zillion forums over the years and this one is one of the friendliest and helpful. Just because someone doesn't approve or agree with your thoughts doesn't make them rude.

If you're interested in breeding either of these species I'd recommend visiting with a local breeder if you can to see what it's like and what's involved. It's pretty unlikely that your pets will remain tame after becoming breeders (assuming they are successful.)

FWIW I'm another one who is highly opposed to hybridizing macaws and toos, but to each their own.

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Think of it this way. 50 years down the line we as humans have wiped out all the wild macaws. So we think no worries lets just start with our captive population and breed them for soft release to eventually repopulate their natural habitat.

Oh darn, everyone decided to hybridise them as they looked soo pretty. So now we have no chance of repopulating at all.

You do not get the best of both worlds with a hybrid. You get a very confused bird
Should it act like a blue and gold or a Scarlett. Is it a military or a hyacinth? I know people with hybrids and NONE of them would ever breed them or choose to breed to make one.
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I had to make sure I was on the right forum reading through this post. I've been a member of a zillion forums over the years and this one is one of the friendliest and helpful. Just because someone doesn't approve or agree with your thoughts doesn't make them rude.

If you're interested in breeding either of these species I'd recommend visiting with a local breeder if you can to see what it's like and what's involved. It's pretty unlikely that your pets will remain tame after becoming breeders (assuming they are successful.)

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People can disagree without being disagreeable. And Obviously not all people think its a bad thing to hybridize especially macaws other wise there wouldn't be such a great number of hybrids available. I still think it is not only okay but a good thing when it is done for the right reasons. If we are talking about people doing this just to get greater numbers of birds they do not care for appropriately and give the needed socialization etc. that I disagree with.
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I'm glad you have had a more positive experience here than I have!
People can disagree without being disagreeable. And Obviously not all people think its a bad thing to hybridize especially macaws other wise there wouldn't be such a great number of hybrids available. I still think it is not only okay but a good thing when it is done for the right reasons. If we are talking about people doing this just to get greater numbers of birds they do not care for appropriately and give the needed socialization etc. that I disagree with.
Please explain when hybridising a species is for the correct reasons.
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I really don't understand what it is, but so many people I have encountered in this forum are rude, opinionated, know-it-all's.
I have to disagree here, They are only trying to make sure you know everything you need to know about the species. Many people get parrots not knowing how much is involed in caring for them. I have had African Greys to Budgies and when I wanted to know about Linnies I asked people who had them. And I got the best advise. You will learn more from people than any book or web site.

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I'd say a Galah is the bird for you.

They are smaller Too's with sweeter temperments; are not that loud and have very very outgoing personalities.

They are a better intermediate bird than any of the larger Macaw's or Too's...

Another thought is a Hans Macaw though they are known to be a little on the harder to handle and tame side.

I personally like Galahs... though I would never own one of the much larger birds I think perhaps this would be a better choice for you.

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Galahs can be very very beaky, nippy, and bratty. Some are sweeter than others, but I wouldn't recommend them for a child to handle.

Kory, I didn't read any of these responses as rude, just blunt. People are telling it like it is, even if it's not what you want to hear. I think us crazy parrot people would rather discourage someone from even getting a challenging bird in the first place, if it's not a good idea and the bird will eventually end up rehomed.

You COULD end up with a lovely, social, gentle cockatoo that loves kids. It is possible...I've met a few. Probably less likely with a macaw, I think. However, you really have no idea what you're going to get if you just randomly buy a baby. If you're dead set on one of these extremely emotionally challenging companions, I would adopt an adult (that is a few years past sexual maturity) from a rescue. That way you know the bird's personality, and you know it's not likely to change.

Same goes fur cuddliness, and talking ability. Those are traits that are never guaranteed. Even some African greys, which are known to be amazing talkers as a species, may never say a word. Some cockatoos may never be cuddly. Two individuals can be as different as night and day. Again, another reason to go with an adult that is already talking if talking is important to you.

Honestly, I'd recommend a male cockatiel. They are likely to fit most of your criteria, though they are not rare or flashy or large.
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