i think i need help... - Talk Parrots Forums

Talk Parrots General General parrot discussion, questions, help and information.

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 04:38 PM Thread Starter


 
ilovepets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 23
Posts: 1,148
Thanks: 35
Thanked 319 Times in 180 Posts
Rep Power: 15
         
i think i need help...

so once again i am becoming "obsessed" with larger birds. i am pretty sure i need one i just feel like that a bigger bird is what i am missing in life. im not sure how to describe it....

i was watching a parrot documentary (parrot confidential), and there was people who were rescuing all of these parrots, and all i kept thinking was " i really want to do that". i always go on Craigslist to look at any birds on there, and there are a lot in need. yes yes i know i cant save them all, but there are some really nice tempered ones that come through that i would love to have.

and then i think that i only have parakeets and those are simple, but then i think that i give my parakeets more toys and attention than some of the parrots i find on CL. there is always a person giving away a large bird and there are no toys.... i could give it a better life with out even trying and just doing what i usually do, making toys and spending my day with them.

i love my little flock, but i remember the time i snuggled with a 'too, a rescued 'too. and i just think that i really want a snuggly parrot (that isnt the only reason), a bird that i can really enjoy and not just watch, one that i can bond with. if i spoil my little flock, imagine how much a larger parrot(compared to a keet) would be spoiled? for one who doesnt own other birds, i have a good idea of what i would get myself into- possible biting, screaming, more cleaning, plucking etc. etc. so its not like i am oblivious to those things and i want one just to hold or to talk, i want one for the bond, the unspoken bond that can't be explained with words.

am i going crazy here?!?

Leon Butch Baby Bird Pickles Bowie Bobby Leo Ace Cheerio
for my other pets: cat, rabbit, 6 fish tanks, 2 fire belly newts, 2 african dwarf frogs, 22+ crayfish, fish

Last edited by ilovepets; 11-15-2013 at 04:42 PM.
ilovepets is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 05:14 PM


 
KTyne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,259
Thanks: 22
Thanked 362 Times in 298 Posts
Rep Power: 25
               
Also remember, a larger bird needs a larger cage, larger dishes, larger toys, more food, and all of this costs a LOT more money. ONE toy for a 'Too or Macaw can run upwards of $40. So do you really think you could spoil a larger bird when one toys costs $40?
Not trying to discourage you just want to make you think.



KTyne is offline  
post #3 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 05:43 PM Thread Starter


 
ilovepets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 23
Posts: 1,148
Thanks: 35
Thanked 319 Times in 180 Posts
Rep Power: 15
         
it is a good point. this thread will allow me to see different problems and i will see if i have a solution for them if i got one online, they usually come with their cage and everything, which cut costs of a new cage, etc. i also make my own toys. a keet toy that is $8, i can buy the toy parts and make it for about a dollar, which saves a lot of money in the end. i would plan to do the same; only it would be like a $20+ toy only costing like $5 to make and there is just the simple things like paper products to add to toys and as of this year, we are growing our own loofa gourds, which will soon be cleaned and added to my bags of toy parts.




i have also thought about making bigger toys, and i realized that most of the toy parts i buy come in many sizes, so i could really just make the same toys, but super size them


Leon Butch Baby Bird Pickles Bowie Bobby Leo Ace Cheerio
for my other pets: cat, rabbit, 6 fish tanks, 2 fire belly newts, 2 african dwarf frogs, 22+ crayfish, fish
ilovepets is offline  
 
post #4 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 06:17 PM



 
catalinadee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 17,637
Thanks: 1,593
Thanked 2,007 Times in 1,575 Posts
Rep Power: 99
                     
I think you're perfectly capable of owning a different bird what would you like? Would it have to be a cockatoo or would you have something Senegal sized etc? Cause it's not just the big guys
catalinadee is offline  
post #5 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 06:50 PM


 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,245
Thanks: 325
Thanked 620 Times in 487 Posts
Rep Power: 34
                     
Other cuddly birds are tiels and conures... They are much more bird, still in a smaller more handleable package and with less of a lifetime commitment (up to 30 years instead of 50-75 or more) they both bond tightly to people and are great birds. Tiels are actually the smallest of the too family.
ParrotletsRock is offline  
post #6 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 07:12 PM


 
wyrinth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: NYC, USA
Posts: 1,058
Thanks: 1,411
Thanked 748 Times in 515 Posts
Rep Power: 12
       
I too would recommend getting a smaller "big" bird. Like tiels or conures. Cockatoos are not really birds, their a life-style choice. You're also pretty young and I assume have a lot of big events that have not happened to you yet...getting married, having children, etc. If you commit to a large bird now, will you be able to keep your commitment, will you be happy, will the bird? When I was younger, I really wanted a large dog, but my parents didn't let me, so I volunteered at a shelter and got my big dog "fix". Perhaps there is a rescue near you that might need volunteers? I'm not saying that you're not capable of taking care of a large bird and it's really great that you're thinking about it before you commit!

Stitch Pikachu Thor Loki

BlazeCinder Sunday

Storm Sky
wyrinth is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to wyrinth For This Useful Post:
Abby (11-23-2013), meadiva (11-16-2013)
post #7 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 09:43 PM


 
KTyne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,259
Thanks: 22
Thanked 362 Times in 298 Posts
Rep Power: 25
               
Sounds like you've got it all figured out.
I think you'd be an awesome bird parent whatever sized bird you got!



KTyne is offline  
post #8 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 09:59 PM Thread Starter


 
ilovepets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 23
Posts: 1,148
Thanks: 35
Thanked 319 Times in 180 Posts
Rep Power: 15
         
all of this is mostly just an unreachable dream... unless a christmas miracle happens, which i really doubt

i would love a tiel, but i would also love to jump straight into big birds. i have always loved greys, but i seem to become more obsessed with macaws and 'toos, along with the greys. in the back of my head, i am telling myself that jumping that far in size would me be very mature of me to do.

i am not going to college and i have no plans to have kids i do not like kids, so my pets are my kids

i feel better talking about it. makes me feel like i have a chance, but in reality, i am getting myself excited over nothing. which is sad because there are many parrots out there that could use a home and care, and an owner who would turn away a plucked bird, because it is the attitude that matters, not the looks

Leon Butch Baby Bird Pickles Bowie Bobby Leo Ace Cheerio
for my other pets: cat, rabbit, 6 fish tanks, 2 fire belly newts, 2 african dwarf frogs, 22+ crayfish, fish
ilovepets is offline  
post #9 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 10:06 PM


 
KTyne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,259
Thanks: 22
Thanked 362 Times in 298 Posts
Rep Power: 25
               
Save up money slowly over time and you'll eventually have enough! Don't get discouraged!



KTyne is offline  
post #10 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 10:32 PM
 
DebiWings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 185
Thanks: 266
Thanked 141 Times in 95 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
I too watched the show Parrots Confidential and after watching that, I am surprised you want a larger bird. I knew there were many rescue places for parrots but was shocked at how overwhelmed most of them were. I have had larger birds and the smaller are so much easier to care for. But you seem to know what you are getting into more than most people. I would check around for rescues and maybe you will find your dream bird.

DebiWings is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to DebiWings For This Useful Post:
4thebirds (11-15-2013), wyrinth (11-16-2013)
post #11 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-15-2013, 11:01 PM


 
4thebirds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: California
Posts: 1,616
Thanks: 1,109
Thanked 903 Times in 591 Posts
Rep Power: 17
             
As gteat as thry may be, I just don't think I'd personally ever have enoigh time for something like a cockatoo or macaw. After watching parrot confidential and just my oen interactions with the species, it seems like they really tske up your whole life. That just would work for me.

I think Gccs are very snuggly and much more large bird like but still in a manageable way. Senegals are another example of this as well as caiques. If it were me, I'd stick to those as they have all the pros of bigger birds without the cons. Caiques and gccs are also very playful so that's nice. If you're ok with the noise level of cockatoos and macaws than I'm sure a sun conure would be nothing. And boy, people have great things to say about them too (as long as youre ok with the noise factor). Most people say they are more even tempered than the species mentioned above. They sure are beautiful.

"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France
Owned by & slave to: Oliver, Gemma, Cozette, & the English Budgie Crew

Last edited by 4thebirds; 11-15-2013 at 11:03 PM.
4thebirds is offline  
post #12 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-16-2013, 03:56 AM


 
aether-drifter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Age: 34
Posts: 328
Thanks: 202
Thanked 226 Times in 124 Posts
Rep Power: 9
   
I understand wanting to rescue a larger bird, especially a cockatoo...they just melt your heart, don't they? It sounds like one day, when you're ready, you'll be the perfect person to rescue one.

I also have such a soft spot for tiels, though -- and there are a mind-boggling amount of them in rescues, on Craigslist, etc. So sad. They're such lovely birds. Very different from budgies...not that budgies aren't great, but tiels are like toos in a smaller (and less life-altering) package.
aether-drifter is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to aether-drifter For This Useful Post:
wyrinth (11-16-2013)
post #13 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-16-2013, 06:49 AM Thread Starter


 
ilovepets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 23
Posts: 1,148
Thanks: 35
Thanked 319 Times in 180 Posts
Rep Power: 15
         
It will probably be about 5 years before I am able to get anything, I have already found so many birds on Craigslist that are gentle and mild mannered.

After watching parrots confidential, I just want to rescue some of the birds. I know I could to a heck of a lot better than that amazon owner who got an amazon as a first bird and had it in a small cage and gave it no toys and also no preening toys for when it was plucking

I know this chirstmas miracle won't happen because I tried to get a tiel before and was only allowed parakeets. For some reason getting 4 parakeets is "less" than getting one cockatiel..... I tried to clarify that cockatiels were not cockatoos an they were quieter and gentle. But still it seems like everyone still thought that cockatiels are the size of a car and scream 24/7 -___-

Leon Butch Baby Bird Pickles Bowie Bobby Leo Ace Cheerio
for my other pets: cat, rabbit, 6 fish tanks, 2 fire belly newts, 2 african dwarf frogs, 22+ crayfish, fish
ilovepets is offline  
post #14 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-16-2013, 08:25 AM



 
catalinadee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 17,637
Thanks: 1,593
Thanked 2,007 Times in 1,575 Posts
Rep Power: 99
                     
Cockatiels are their own family, but are related to cockatoos. Why don't you consider a small macaw? Hahn's macaws have just as much going for them as the others, even though they're smaller (they're still tons bigger than a green cheek conure and such though!). They're also just as loud
catalinadee is offline  
post #15 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-16-2013, 04:33 PM Thread Starter


 
ilovepets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 23
Posts: 1,148
Thanks: 35
Thanked 319 Times in 180 Posts
Rep Power: 15
         
i would love a mini macaw! or any other bird


what are senegals like? i feel like i see a good amount of them on Craigslist.


this is one of the parrots i have found online that look good.... but it is still just a dream at this point
Attached Images
File Type: png Screen Shot 2013-11-16 at 4.31.52 PM.png (403.0 KB, 10 views)

Leon Butch Baby Bird Pickles Bowie Bobby Leo Ace Cheerio
for my other pets: cat, rabbit, 6 fish tanks, 2 fire belly newts, 2 african dwarf frogs, 22+ crayfish, fish

Last edited by ilovepets; 11-16-2013 at 04:43 PM.
ilovepets is offline  
post #16 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-16-2013, 04:59 PM


 
Kate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Outer Sydney Australia
Age: 67
Posts: 887
Thanks: 135
Thanked 235 Times in 170 Posts
Rep Power: 37
                     
I went from budgies to Tiels and believe me they are great birds. I hand raised my first in 1993 and just love them. My Cheekie went all over the place with me. Actually Daisy it was originally thought that tiels were a separate species hence the name Nymphicus Hollandicus, but a few years ago they used dna testing on them and found that they were actually full members of the Cockatoo family. They decided not to change their botanical name, unlike the Bourke Parrot which they did the same testing on and found they appeared to be a hybrid between a Neophema and a Psephotus and renamed them Neo-Psephotus instead of Neophema.

I have now graduated to owning much larger birds having Sulphur Crested, Galah's and Corella's. Another larger bird that is great is the Alexandrine, much quieter than a too and can be just as cuddly. They are great birds. Although I can appreciate the beauty of a large Macaw, I have never really had the yen to own one. But a few years ago I met some Hahn Macaws and fell in love with them. They may be smaller than a Blue and Gold but they think they are as big. Have great personalities and can be so sweet. I have always wanted a Grey but that is a dream that will probably never eventuate as I just don't have the money to obtain one and they just don't come up for re-homing for free here.
Kate is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kate For This Useful Post:
catalinadee (11-18-2013), wyrinth (11-17-2013)
post #17 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-16-2013, 09:50 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 40
Thanks: 15
Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
The bigger birds are much more costly. I only have a Red Belly (same family as sene's, and Meyers etc.) and its a huge difference. I don't think I could ever afford the care for a really large bird. I also make my own toys for less but I am having a hard time keeping up and am finding I need to reconsider what is appropriate for my Jellybean. Paper toys last about 30 minutes, plastic chains or other plastic parts need to be thick or he destroys em, foot toys that were ok for my Love bird are dangerous for Jelly because they will shatter under his beak. The large wood toys (smaller wood chunks but large sized toy) last me about a week, but I can't give him the really big wood chunks because then its too hard and he isn't interested. He needs a large cage taking up a good amount of room and money. If they say they come with cage on CL be aware it may not be appropriate for the size bird. The perches must be bigger, the food costs more and you get into a whole new variety of diet offerings. I have a pumpkin seed and almond addict.

I find I can not let Jellybean out with any other birds, for the safety of my other birds. I even need to house them in different rooms because Jellybean will try to bite if they got on his cage, he even tried to get them thru their own cage when he lands on it. He is even territorial on the play gyms. Jelly is a sweet bird, he started out his life with lots of really large birds and some of his own size. However he seems to think smaller ones need to be eaten.

Another consideration is bites. Jellybean breaks skin easily when he bites, its really painful even if you have protection to keep skin intact. I know its a matter of time before I get bit (like my husband and a few friends and his breeder) because all birds have bad days. I try to keep my face away from him as much as I can to avoid any permanent damage if he should decide a freckle needs to be removed. He can bite thru my shirts in just a second, before I can even get my hand up to stop him. For a small beak he is really dangerous.

Just wanted to give some insight to caring for even a med size bird, some things others mentioned and some they didn't. I do think you have it in you to care for one properly, I know you love your birds. Its just so different than the smaller birds, so many things I learned after I brought Jellybean home. There are so many things that even after doing research I didn't know, or people didn't think to post about. I think its great that you are looking and asking now when your thinking it will be another 5 years or so before you can get one.

After watching that same show I changed my way of thinking a little bit. I used to think getting a bird from a baby was best. Now I think getting an older rescue is prob a better choice. You can spend time with a rescue to get to know it before you bring it home. I would also think they are thru puberty (what ever they call it when the hormones change from baby to sexual maturity) and you wont get any surprises in that area.

meadiva is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to meadiva For This Useful Post:
DebiWings (11-22-2013), ilovepets (11-17-2013), wyrinth (11-17-2013)
post #18 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-17-2013, 08:09 AM Thread Starter


 
ilovepets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 23
Posts: 1,148
Thanks: 35
Thanked 319 Times in 180 Posts
Rep Power: 15
         
thanks for all the great info i can relate with the biting through the shirt because my rabbit with occasionally bite and actually leave a lump on my arm that is bruised. i always liked older animals instead of the younger ones. i always want "the pets that no one wants". with cats and dogs i wouldn't have to house break or litter train them, they would know how to do that and how to behave in a house. with birds i can skip over the maturity stage. and it really doesnt matter if you get them when they are 10+, because you still have 20-70 more years to spend with them.

Leon Butch Baby Bird Pickles Bowie Bobby Leo Ace Cheerio
for my other pets: cat, rabbit, 6 fish tanks, 2 fire belly newts, 2 african dwarf frogs, 22+ crayfish, fish
ilovepets is offline  
post #19 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-17-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Topaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 324
Thanks: 7
Thanked 136 Times in 109 Posts
Rep Power: 8
   
It sounds like a cockatiel would fit your needs. And not so big that it cant hang out with your flock.

Yuki my budgie. Pixie budgie. Blue IRN Goose
Topaz is offline  
post #20 of 51 (permalink) Old 11-18-2013, 12:05 PM


 
KTyne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 3,259
Thanks: 22
Thanked 362 Times in 298 Posts
Rep Power: 25
               
I don't understand why everyone is pushing towards a Cockatiel or Conure, etc.
What qualifications do you think a potential large bird owner needs to have? I think Shelly would be a great large bird owner and not everyone has to go from Budgies to Tiels to say, Sennies, etc and slowly get slightly larger birds until you're at a Macaw or Too.

Shelly, if you think that you can handle the commitment, the cost, spare the extra room, and can handle any possible behaviour issues then I say go for it. Especially since you are planning this 5 years down the road. That's a lot of time to prepare, save up money, and perhaps visit multiple different Birds to make sure they are the ones for you.
Go to a breeder and visit their babies and adults, go to a rescue and spend time with the birds that they have and maybe even volunteer. Talk to lots of people that have owned the Birds you're interested in and make sure you ask the hard questions.

Good luck.



KTyne is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to KTyne For This Useful Post:
ilovepets (11-18-2013)
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Talk Parrots Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome