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Need opinions before rescuing a Jenday

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This is my first post here I'm pretty active on Talk Budgies and people there gave me some great advice on this subject, but I figured I should run by the larger parrot community here, too.

There's a Jenday at my local pet store. He's been there for four years. He had a friend until last month when a new employee sold him without realizing they were supposed to go as a pair. The bird that's left is in rough shape, mentally. Being surrounded by so much commotion and different people is stressing him out. He's very introverted and shy and will bite. This is a big turn off for anyone looking to buy him because all they see is an angry bird who bites and is very loud. The poor thing mostly just cowers in the back of his cage, shaking and occasionally screaming. The pet store has tried everything to make him more comfortable but he just doesn't like having strangers around and doesn't like all the fuss in the store.

For the past few months, I've been bringing him millet when I go in and just setting it by his dish. The other day, I was in a rush and forgot to bring the millet. He saw me coming and when I walked by without giving him the millet, he had a huge hissy fit, dumped his dish out, and screamed like crazy. Someone gave me some trail mix and I offered him that and then for the first time ever, he let me hand feed him. He has never taken food from someone's hand before. He made direct eye contact with me and made some really sweet noises. I'm allowed to open his door since he never leaves, but this time, I opened it and he very cautiously climbed up on my arm and had some more snacks! It was a huge breakthrough for him

So naturally, I want him. I currently have two very tame budgies and have been planning on getting a larger bird when I graduate uni next year. I've been doing my research into parrotlets, GCC's, etc but hadn't realized the bond I was forming with this Jenday. My issue is this: I work in technical theatre which means I have to be able to travel (I usually pack my budgies and bring them with me), and that my hours vary. My longest days will keep me away for around 12 hours a day. This works for my budgies only because when I am home, that is entirely their time. I rarely go out with friends, I don't party, and I don't stay out late because I understand how demanding even small parrots are. If given a large enough cage and many toys, would a jenday be able to occupy themselves while I'm at work? I usually try to live close to the theatre so I can come home a few times a day to check on the birds. Most days I work between 4-9 hours. My second issue is living space. Due to having to move around so often, I live in apartments. I know jendays are LOUD, no one has to warn me there Luckily this one seems very reserved because he knows people walk away when he screams. At home, I have the shared walls of my apartment covered in eggshell foam because I am afraid of the budgies waking my neighbours in the morning. My neighbours have never even heard my budgies and I know a conure does not compare, but if I further sound proof the walls, would it be possible to keep one? I'm looking for advice from people who've had conures, specifically suns or jendays in apartments.

I'm basically looking for people to weigh in on whether or not they think this bird is a good idea. He will most definitely be in the store a year from now when I can actually purchase him and so far, I am the only person he's met that he isn't terrified of. I know I could really do a lot of good for him, I've got a lot of experience with traumatized animals, but if the life circumstances aren't right, I don't want to subject him to more upset. Any advice/info would be great. SORRY FOR THE INSANELY LONG POST!
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Also, here's a photo of us from the other day. I was so excited and proud of him for being so brave and finally starting to come out of his shell!
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First of all, welcome to the forum!

I think that he would be able to entertain himself as he hasn't been a hands on bird with anybody up until now. Providing that he has tons of stuff to do I can't imagine it would be that much of a problem. Keep a radio, or TV on or something and if he's housed around your budgies then he has those to be his 'flock' too and he will enjoy watching them

As you've already said, they are extremely loud birds (the pitch usually being the problem). If you can keep his screaming to a bare minimum then you shouldn't have an issue with your neighbors. They are not a bird I would recommend to apartments but if he isn't a big screamer then you'll be fine. A good tip is before the morning screaming session and the evening screaming session, give them their food. If they've got a beak full of food then they can't scream

One thing he may need is stability. Parrots thrive off a schedule so if you can sort of stick to one then that would be very helpful for him. Moving around a lot could also prove stressful but as long as he's kept occupied I doubt he'd react too badly to it. As long as you're with him it wouldn't be a big deal but the constant change of scenery may be frightening to a bird who has spent years in the same place

In all honesty, it's entirely up to you what you choose to do. You can take him on, if you wish, but keep in mind that the travelling has the potential to be stressful for him. I do think you should take him on because he has a very slim chance of getting into a home. Maybe, just maybe, you could try introducing him to another eventually? If he was already housed with one then he may love to have a friend

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Thanks for the welcome and the quick response!

He has indeed had a rough first four years. My stomach drops at the thought of taking him on because conures can be such a handful. But it breaks my heart seeing him like that and the store won't sell him to someone who doesn't have bird experience because he really needs some love. I'm leaning more towards taking him for sure. I was worried the budgies wouldn't handle all the moving around very well, but I was able to condition them into thinking change is a good thing and now they get excited when they see the moving boxes come out. I'll be moving probably to California from the east coast shortly after I get him, but I'd probably put that off by a few months so he has time to settle in. He'd be a huge commitment for my lifestyle, but I hate the thought of him rotting away in the store when I know he could have so much better.
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Whilst I can't offer you any advice I would just like to say how much I admire you for considering this birds welfare, and even contemplating taking him on.

This is a huge decision, and one that can't be taken too lightly, but I don't need to tell you that as that's why you're here.

Whatever decision you make is really going to affect both you and the bird, and you need to think with your head and not your heart.

Good luck with whatever you decide; you are both in my thoughts.

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I have no doubt you would be a great owner for him, but I am worried about the fact that you will be living in an apartment. I would hate to see you have trouble with the neighbors and apartment complex, and then your little guy would have to leave...

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That's my worry, too, Dee. Although, if my landlord were to force me to choose between the apartment and the bird, of course I would choose the bird. But it would be stressful for everyone. This is why I'm taking a year to weigh the pros and cons. I feel like I could live with the noise so it's really just the apartment thing holding me back from giving a definitive "yes!" But the apartment thing is a big deal because I am young and don't have my life set in stone. That said, I felt just as nervous when I got my first budgie and I turned out to be totally overthinking everything. But a conure is a much bigger commitment so I'd rather overthink then not think enough.


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all I can say is welcome. You have a big heart I wish you good results in the choice you make. Do you know anyone who stays home all day live near you? Like a grandma? Could finding a day sitter while away will help you with your decision. Kudos to you for giving this situation so much thought, before jumping in and doing. Warm
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Thanks for the welcome

I don't have many bird people in my area. In fact, there is only one avian vet in the entire province. I'm from Nova Scotia, Canada and while we look small on a map, it still takes a good 20 hours to drive from one end to the other plus half the province is an island so we really need more vets... Tangent aside, once I'm done with uni, I'll be moving to California with some friends. They seem to have a pretty good network of bird people down there so I'm hoping once he's socialized, I might be able to make some friends that he can visit if he gets lonely while I'm away. I worry less about the budgies when I travel because they're so used to it and as long as I make a fuss over them during the move, they don't seem to get too stressed.


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Welcome and thank you for trying to give this bird a chance.

Personally, and I am very sorry to say this, I don't think it will work out. For one thing, you can muffle the soft chattering of budgies but I doubt you can muffle the screams of a Jenday (I live in a detached house and you can hear mine from the street even when the windows are closed) and, if your neighbors complain and you have to move, you will have the same problem over and over because, as you stated, your life been what it is, you live in small apartments.

I am also concerned about your constant changing schedules and travelling... that's never good news with any parrot and for one that has lived such a terrible life for so long, it would be worse. Parrots that have been neglected and/or abused need love, understanding, stability and lots of one-on-one time. I am sure you can give him the love and understanding but moving from one place to another and working 12 hours a day is not going to give him the other two and he won't get better without them (and that means screaming).

It is a quandary because, obviously, the parrot is in a bad place and one wants to take him out of there, especially, as you say, he will need somebody very understanding...but he also needs somebody with experience, a place where he can scream without a problem and lots of time in their hands which you don't have and won't have for years to come.

You haven't even started your life yet and, although you have plans to move to California, you really do not have the certainty that this will happen or when. Budgies, having each other, good food and a flight cage can live a good life by themselves but not lone, neglected, needing work conures.

I don't mean to discourage you, you certainly have your heart in the right place and Lord knows we need more people like you in the bird world but not anybody has the time, experience, stability and infrastructure to help a bird that has serious issues and taking them in just because we feel sorry for them without the tools to help them, in most cases, only adds another pair of hands that they go through in their lives...
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Thanks for the response, no offence taken! These are definitely the exact fears and apprehensions that are making me take this decision so seriously. If I wanted everyone to say "yes, don't think about it just get him!" I wouldn't have posted here haha.


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I just rescued a Jenday Conure, he is beautiful and very smart BUT! he is so loud he is hurting my ears I am so sad to say that because of his screaming and biting (even though he likes me) I am going to have to let him go.

There is no way he is going to calm down it has been too long. I already gave my heart to my bot but it is very difficult. You cannot tell a Conure to be quiet, my boy screamed in my ear yesterday and it hurt really bad. They are very sweet birds and very beautiful but they noise level is too high for the average person.

I talked to a store owner and they said they have a very good memory and your bird will not forget, and if he is taking tantrums now he will not stop when you get him home... Then there is the cost, I paid $200.00 for a two year old and that was too high just do not let them take you either you should not have to pay more that $50.. for a bird that old. If it were ne and know what you know I would pass,,, good ;luck he is beautiful.
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I just rescued a Jenday Conure, he is beautiful and very smart BUT! he is so loud he is hurting my ears I am so sad to say that because of his screaming and biting (even though he likes me) I am going to have to let him go.

There is no way he is going to calm down it has been too long. I already gave my heart to my bot but it is very difficult. You cannot tell a Conure to be quiet, my boy screamed in my ear yesterday and it hurt really bad. They are very sweet birds and very beautiful but they noise level is too high for the average person.

I talked to a store owner and they said they have a very good memory and your bird will not forget, and if he is taking tantrums now he will not stop when you get him home... Then there is the cost, I paid $200.00 for a two year old and that was too high just do not let them take you either you should not have to pay more that $50.. for a bird that old. If it were ne and know what you know I would pass,,, good ;luck he is beautiful.
Sorry to hear you're having to let your Jenday go. I just want to say though that I really don't understand why anybody would think that because a bird is older that they shouldn't have to pay any more than $50 for it... They're not even old, they're 4 years I think the poster said. That's a bird that could live what? 30 years, with the correct care. I myself would pay anything for the right bird, regardless of their age. If birds were that cheap everybody would have one and there'd be even more of a problem than there already is

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I agree. This bird is priced at 600 dollars, including his cage, supplies, food, and all his toys. I would be getting a discount from that price but personally, if it's the bird you love the price shouldn't matter. I'm not looking for a bargain, I'm looking to change his life. Especially in the case of a jenday where they live so long anyway. Thank you again for all the responses, you all sound almost as torn about this decision as I am. As of now, he is not very loud. The entire time I've known him, I think he's screamed maybe five times. It doesn't bother me. It's other people I worry about and it's really the main issue stopping me from scooping him up right now.


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I agree - the noise doesn't bother me either, it's other people I am usually worried about...

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After thinking it over and talking with the pet store employees, I think I'm probably going to take him. I've lucked out and found a place to live where his noise won't be a problem. Since I can't get him for a few months because I need to finish uni, the pet store is holding him for me. I've been going in a few times a week to start getting him used to me. He's still taking food from me and now announces my arrival in the store. He let me give him some scritches the other day and chatters back and forth with me. He's nervous, but he does seem genuinely excited to see me when I come. He also had the chance to meet my budgies when they came to get their nails clipped this week. He was in his cage, and they were in theirs, but the budgies were excited and bobbed their heads at him, and he bobbed his head back! It was adorable. I understand he'll be a much larger commitment then my budgies, but I'm looking forward to having a companion who voices his happiness when I arrive home, and who I can bond with, train, cuddle, and generally fuss over. My budgies are lovely, but they are kind of like cats, any affection is on their terms. I feel ready for the patience and love this guy will need to help work through his issues and I'm excited to work to build a mutual relationship with a bird in need, even if it means a few bites along the way
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You have a wonderful caring heart, and I commend you for taking on this bird. I really hope it works out as you hope it will, and that you're one big happy family.

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I hope it works out for him and you.
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I know you had some concerns, which were valid, but I recently got lucky and was offered a two year work contract, which I have accepted and signed, as well as moved into a new place that is extremely pet friendly (owner runs an exotics rescue). My work contract will start about 4-5 months after I bring the little guy home, so that will give us a few months together to help him settle in and get a routine established. The job that I have is much more reasonable with their hours and I will be home for most of the day, before heading off to work in the evening. Like I posted earlier, I'm willing to make as many lifestyle accommodations as I can for him and things really seemed to fall into place this time, so I really do feel like I'm at a point in my life where I'll be able to give him the one on one work he so desperately needs.
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Oh how wonderful for you both! You must show us some photos when he gets home And some of your budgies too

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