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Certified avian specialist?

What is it? And how can you become a certified avian specialist?

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That's an avian vet. You usually would say "my vet is avian certified" sort of thing or you would ask a vet before going to them "are you avian certified?". You have to do college courses in Biology and such and I believe you may be able to go into it through doing a veterinary nursing programme at college too before going to university. Then you go on to university and do a vet course, which I believe is 5 years, and then you add two more years to become avian certified. It's a loooooooooooooot of hard work to get there but if you could do it, that's great!

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ahh ok, i don't want to "give up" but i don't think i want to go through all of that schooling. i might just stick with being a parrot lover

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You could start a rescue, open a store, work in a zoo etc. There's loads of bird related jobs

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i would love to start a parrot rescue!! i just wouldn't know how that would work i was thinking about working at a zoo.. they have many macaws, a few 'toos, treys, zons, and a parakeet/tiel aviary!!!!

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If you really love animals, you do NOT want to work in a zoo. Trust me on this.

Now, in the States, the certification process is different. First you become a regular vet majoring in small or large animals (this is mostly farm animals like cows, horses). Then you need to intern with a certified avian vet for 6 years and, at the end of the internship, you take an exam, if you pass it, you become an Board Certified Avian vet but they don't go back to school for it, they study on their own from avian medicine text books.

There is something called Certified Avian Specialist (CAS) here in the States, the courses and tests are given by PIJAC (Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council, the lobbying arm of the pet industry). It's done by mail and you get a certificate (thus the 'Certified' in the title). It's mainly about husbandry, a little about behavior and mostly just another way of PIJAC to get some extra money. It's not to be confused with any real college degrees There are people who call themselves Avian Behaviorists but I have never been able to find where or under whom they trained so I think it's mostly a self-conferred title people use to charge for consultations.
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https://www.pijac.org/animal-welfare...certifications

I think this is what you were originally thinking about.
I'd love to have time to help at a rescue. Are there any near you to volunteer at? You'd gain a lot of hands on knowledge I'm sure.

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If you really love animals, you do NOT want to work in a zoo. Trust me on this.
thats why i have been debating on working on a zoo. i young that you can do street view on google earth and i found where the parrots were. they had big enclosures but there was no toys they could at least put natural toys in. i am not sure how old the pictures were though..

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https://www.pijac.org/animal-welfare...certifications

I think this is what you were originally thinking about.
I'd love to have time to help at a rescue. Are there any near you to volunteer at? You'd gain a lot of hands on knowledge I'm sure.
i saw this site, but i didn't click on it. i will look more into it.

i do have a cat/dog shelter near me but i never really had an interest volunteering there for some reason. if i lived closer to the parrot rescue or the ASPCA where i got my flock, i would volunteer. i would love to open a parrot rescue or parrot sanctuary with big indoor aviaries for older parrots to retire and have fun. i absolutely can't wait to go to parrot rescue to donate things and meet some of their birds!!!!

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thats why i have been debating on working on a zoo. i young that you can do street view on google earth and i found where the parrots were. they had big enclosures but there was no toys they could at least put natural toys in. i am not sure how old the pictures were though..



i saw this site, but i didn't click on it. i will look more into it.

i do have a cat/dog shelter near me but i never really had an interest volunteering there for some reason. if i lived closer to the parrot rescue or the ASPCA where i got my flock, i would volunteer. i would love to open a parrot rescue or parrot sanctuary with big indoor aviaries for older parrots to retire and have fun. i absolutely can't wait to go to parrot rescue to donate things and meet some of their birds!!!!
Oh, when I said rescue, I specifically meant parrot rescue or sanctuary. I love dogs as well, but don't know if I could volunteer at a shelter. Might be overwhelming. But a bird sanctuary, I would absolutely love to see and help all the birds. Good luck either way!
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The closest parrot rescues are in RI and CT. I might look more. I was just on petfinder.com yesterday looking at birds. There are a ton of rescues in new York.

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There are several in Illinois, I don't know where you are located but all of these are in the state:

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED FOR LICENSED ILLINOIS PARROT RESCUE IN BOLINGBROOK, IL.
We are looking for dedicated individuals that are interested in learning about proper parrot care. This shelter/rescue is in our home and has several parrots with special needs. You must not be afraid of parrots because cleaning their cages is required. We pay particular attention to diet and proper nutrition for this large flock. We teach proper parrot care. This care includes nutritional instruction per species, how to handle behavioral issues, such as screaming, biting, and feather picking, parrot hygiene/bathing, and the proper way to medicate parrots.
If you are interested in helping out a couple hours a week, please contact us by phone 630-759-7363 or by e-mail [email protected].


this one:

Feathered Friends Avian Rescue & Rehab(Shelter #1110086) x
Champaign County 422 Paul Ave., Champaign, IL 618




this one:

GCCBC Bird Adoption Shelter
at 204 S. Villa Ave, Villa Park, IL.
Adoption hotline: 630-640-4924


this one:

http://www.wingsofwonderavianrescue.com/

this one:

http://www.caseysnest.org/

And I am sure there are more, only I could not find them.

And the problem with the zoos is not the lack of toys (parrots that live with other parrots don't need toys, it's only when they are alone that they do), it's that most of the people who work there (and, most importantly, the ones that make the decisions), regard the animals as exhibits shown to make money, there is no real love, no empathy for them...

I dreamed all my life of working in a zoo and, back in 2001, when I had cancer, I changed my entire life around and decided to finally waste no more time doing what I 'needed' to do instead of doing what I 'wanted' to do (and I was in a position to do this as all the children were grown, my husband made good money and we had savings) so I took courses, passed my written exam and did my oral thesis on quakers so I could work in a zoo. I took a job at a small and very well regarded local zoo - I lasted less than a year. I simply could not 'take' the lack of regard for the animals welfare and happiness, and their mercenary attitude. Zoos are not good places for animals. Period. As a visitor, you only see what they want to show you and not the 'behind the curtain' reality. Like elephants that have become crazy because they have been artificially inseminated over a hundred times (a procedure that is painful and scary to the poor things) just because babies attract crowds. Foxes that chew themselves up because they are not given enough room to roam. Penguins all crowded and fighting with each other because people like to see the Happy Feet HUGE flock. Small nocturnal rodents that are all stressed out from the kids (and grown-ups!) knocking on the glass of their enclosures all day long when they are supposed to be sleeping. And I could go on and on and on. I have ten grandchildren (11th on her way) and have never taken a single one to one as I would not support any organization that exploits animals - and my children are all very much aware of my feelings and the reasons for them. Do some research and you'll see...
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i live in massachusetts. this morning i looked for other parrot rescue, but there are none in my area, they are in all the surrounding stated though

i haven't been to the zoo near me since i was little. as far as i know, there is no breeding just to show off babies. looking at google earth, their macaws are separated by breed and they old have one of some breed and other are in pairs. some of their parrots are used in an exhibit where they talk about them and probably have the bird do some tricks.

for similar reasons as yours, i don't want to work at a pet store either. out petsmart is clean thankfully (and our petco should be demolished if it was my decision) but i couldn't live with myself if i have to sell animal to people that i know are not ready but i wouldn't necessarily have the right to not sell them it. not to mention, if i did work there, i would tell my own knowledge and not the crap that they tell you to say. my friend was getting parakeets (which ended up being neglected and are now in my care) and the lady there said that if they bite, then you should wiggle their beak a little. she also said that she works around larger parrots. i, being someone with ACTUAL knowledge, knows that this is not what you want to do if you get bitten. first off, if you get bitten, there is a reason for it and its your fault that you did not read the body language and back off. second wiggling your birds beak is seen as a playful activity and will only lead to more biting if you parrot likes it.

at another petsmart there was a sunny and he had a note on the glass saying "hi, i know i shake, i am just nervous… blah blah blah". well, the next time i went there, he was still there and still had the note. then this moron who worked there let 2 little kids go and pet him! kids are the last thing i would let a nervous parrot encounter, both because it stresses them out more and he could bite. not to mention the poor sunny didn't even have a happy hut to hide in if things got too overwhelming. i honestly could never work in a place with these people -__- *end rant*

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There are several in Illinois, I don't know where you are located but all of these are in the state:

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED FOR LICENSED ILLINOIS PARROT RESCUE IN BOLINGBROOK, IL.
We are looking for dedicated individuals that are interested in learning about proper parrot care. This shelter/rescue is in our home and has several parrots with special needs. You must not be afraid of parrots because cleaning their cages is required. We pay particular attention to diet and proper nutrition for this large flock. We teach proper parrot care. This care includes nutritional instruction per species, how to handle behavioral issues, such as screaming, biting, and feather picking, parrot hygiene/bathing, and the proper way to medicate parrots.
If you are interested in helping out a couple hours a week, please contact us by phone 630-759-7363 or by e-mail [email protected].


this one:

Feathered Friends Avian Rescue & Rehab(Shelter #1110086) x
Champaign County 422 Paul Ave., Champaign, IL 618




this one:

GCCBC Bird Adoption Shelter
at 204 S. Villa Ave, Villa Park, IL.
Adoption hotline: 630-640-4924


this one:

http://www.wingsofwonderavianrescue.com/

this one:

http://www.caseysnest.org/

And I am sure there are more, only I could not find them.

And the problem with the zoos is not the lack of toys (parrots that live with other parrots don't need toys, it's only when they are alone that they do), it's that most of the people who work there (and, most importantly, the ones that make the decisions), regard the animals as exhibits shown to make money, there is no real love, no empathy for them...

I dreamed all my life of working in a zoo and, back in 2001, when I had cancer, I changed my entire life around and decided to finally waste no more time doing what I 'needed' to do instead of doing what I 'wanted' to do (and I was in a position to do this as all the children were grown, my husband made good money and we had savings) so I took courses, passed my written exam and did my oral thesis on quakers so I could work in a zoo. I took a job at a small and very well regarded local zoo - I lasted less than a year. I simply could not 'take' the lack of regard for the animals welfare and happiness, and their mercenary attitude. Zoos are not good places for animals. Period. As a visitor, you only see what they want to show you and not the 'behind the curtain' reality. Like elephants that have become crazy because they have been artificially inseminated over a hundred times (a procedure that is painful and scary to the poor things) just because babies attract crowds. Foxes that chew themselves up because they are not given enough room to roam. Penguins all crowded and fighting with each other because people like to see the Happy Feet HUGE flock. Small nocturnal rodents that are all stressed out from the kids (and grown-ups!) knocking on the glass of their enclosures all day long when they are supposed to be sleeping. And I could go on and on and on. I have ten grandchildren (11th on her way) and have never taken a single one to one as I would not support any organization that exploits animals - and my children are all very much aware of my feelings and the reasons for them. Do some research and you'll see...
Thanks, I do live in Illinois, and Bolingbrook is about a half hour away.
I had looked for a while for a rescue as we were going to try to adopt our most recent budgie. I don't regret buying sprite but would definitely like to help out a bird in need in the future, and also help at a rescue/sanctuary.
I am an animal nut but allergic to most with fur. Even one of my own beagles gives me hives. Birds are not an issue so it works out great. Thanks again!

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i live in massachusetts. this morning i looked for other parrot rescue, but there are none in my area, they are in all the surrounding stated though

i haven't been to the zoo near me since i was little. as far as i know, there is no breeding just to show off babies. looking at google earth, their macaws are separated by breed and they old have one of some breed and other are in pairs. some of their parrots are used in an exhibit where they talk about them and probably have the bird do some tricks.

for similar reasons as yours, i don't want to work at a pet store either. out petsmart is clean thankfully (and our petco should be demolished if it was my decision) but i couldn't live with myself if i have to sell animal to people that i know are not ready but i wouldn't necessarily have the right to not sell them it. not to mention, if i did work there, i would tell my own knowledge and not the crap that they tell you to say. my friend was getting parakeets (which ended up being neglected and are now in my care) and the lady there said that if they bite, then you should wiggle their beak a little. she also said that she works around larger parrots. i, being someone with ACTUAL knowledge, knows that this is not what you want to do if you get bitten. first off, if you get bitten, there is a reason for it and its your fault that you did not read the body language and back off. second wiggling your birds beak is seen as a playful activity and will only lead to more biting if you parrot likes it.

at another petsmart there was a sunny and he had a note on the glass saying "hi, i know i shake, i am just nervous… blah blah blah". well, the next time i went there, he was still there and still had the note. then this moron who worked there let 2 little kids go and pet him! kids are the last thing i would let a nervous parrot encounter, both because it stresses them out more and he could bite. not to mention the poor sunny didn't even have a happy hut to hide in if things got too overwhelming. i honestly could never work in a place with these people -__- *end rant*
I understand, there is an amazing little sunnie at our petsmart and he has been there since around Christmas. I've been there so often he recognizes me and I feel horrible I can't bring home home. $600 is just too much when I can get one from a breeder for 3. I just hate that he is still there. The employees know I love him though and have let me interact with him some. They really seem to love the little guy so my bf and I at least breathe a little better after having watched them with him.
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i live in massachusetts. this morning i looked for other parrot rescue, but there are none in my area, they are in all the surrounding stated though
I don't know where in Mass you live but you have the best parrot sanctuary in the whole USA in there! Check out Foster Parrots and you'll see.

As to zoos breeding just so they can get more money from people wanting to see babies, see this: http://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/zoos/ and this: http://www.veganpeace.com/animal_cruelty/zoos.htm But, even if you don't believe these postings, all you have to do is put 'zoo baby' in your search engine and you will see how many pop up. And, what do you think they do with all these new animals been born when they have a limited capacity? Sometimes they sell them to roadside zoos, sometimes to individuals, sometimes they just kill them... You did read about the Copenhagen zoo killing an 18 month old perfectly healthy giraffe they had bred themselves, didn't you? If you haven't, see this: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/09/world/...ffe/index.html
and this: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/26/world/...ons/index.html

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