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future bird...

hi, im looking into what parrot i want in the far future... im not too sure what i want...

its in the far future, when we get a house of our own.

i want a bird that's not overly loud (like not sun conure or cockatoo loud)
somewhat cuddly but independent at the same time (a nice balance, like not always a velcro bird, one that can play by itself perfectly fine with no problems but want cuddles too)
something different than a tiel, budgie or lovebird (already have tiels and lovies, and ive had a budgie... wanted another but i worry about the fact that males are prone to testicular cancer and we already have a cat with cancer. too much for me and i dont want to risk that chance again)
preferably a larger parrot (green cheek and bigger, though i have considered a linnie as theyre just sweet and adorable, but i want to explore my options and really think about it as i got years to prepare)
it doesnt have to be colourful as im not picky on how they look. i go by personality.
something playful that LIKES lots of toys
and no more expensive than $2000 LOL thats the price limit my firance gave me, and thats including cage and supplies LOL


any ideas? just suggestions and some experience you guys have with them. i will also do further research as i have years to do so



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I saw a plume headed parrot there really adorable and are supposed to have great personalities, I love senegals plus there good independent wise, I would stay away from conures if you dont want a velcro bird XD sooo many choices do you want one thats more of a talker or a trick bird?

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talking or tricks do not bother me none. i could care less if it talks or not or does tricks. i just want a companion thats suitable for me, though i have considered a senegal as well



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I really like senegals there very sweet I just held a couple babies at my breeders

What about an IRN?

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ill add that to my list too theyre pretty cool and i like theyre cute voices lol



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me too! i used to really want one before I fell in love with conures have you seen the plume heads there gorgeous

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purple pink heads lol i will take a look into them. i think the blue ring necks are gorgeous lol



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me too I love Solace's IRN hes gorgeous, and I think they look like disney characters

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I would recommend a GCC, they are very cuddly and playful...or a pionus if you want a more independent bird (I've never owned one but have heard they are more independent but can be cuddly).

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ohh pionus sounds like a good bird for you I didnt even think about it or a meyers parrot

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I have a maximillian pionus, a senegal, a green cheek, and a grey. I would recommend any of those birds. The pionus is by far the best with kids, strangers, and everyone she meets, so if you are young and intend to have children or even just visitors you wish to have around your bird, I'd consider a pionus of some type first. I'd check out all types of pionus, poicephalus, pyrrhuras, and greys if I had a long time to be looking. There are also lots of other birds to check in to, depending on what you want most.


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nanay, can you tell me more information on pionus?

we googled some photos and my fiance took an instant liking too so its an added bonus... i'd love to know more

would you reccomend a certain species, gender, and how long do they live (dont want young if they live longer than 50 years as i dont want it to out live me just in case so if they live long id be looking for an older bird)



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50 years is supposed to be the expected life span for a pionus, but my vet says 30 is more realistic for any captive birds of that size. They can live to 50, but seldom do. If personality is absolutely the most important trait, I would recommend a female Maximillian pionus, but most pionus species are good generally. Of course, you can get a great bird of any species or a problem bird of any species, but, in general, the Maximillian species contains fewer problem birds than all the other species and the white caps are thought to contain more problem birds than all the other species. That having been said, I've handled only three Maximillians in my life time and only three white caps in my life time, and I honestly didn't notice much difference in any of those six birds. They were all spectacular companion animals. The only pionus I ever met personally who was not suitable as a pet was a blue headed pionus female. I have also handled two lovely blue headeds and two lovely bronze wings.

People who have handled a lot of pionus over the years tell me that they have never known a bad Maximillian female, though surely they must exist. My friend did have a nasty tempered breeding male, but that is to be expected in breeding males of any species. He was not hand-fed, and was probably simply protecting his mate. When he died, his mate was retired from breeding because she was so sweet with people and she had a bad habit of eating her eggs. This is MY Daisy - actually my daughter's bird. She is the sweetest, most reliable bird in this house, and she was once a breeder.

People who have handled a lot of pionus also tell me that blue headeds are hot or cold. They are either as marvelous in temperament as our Maximillian or they are nuts. They claim you know this from the time they are tiny, as in still being hand-fed. So if you find a sweet blue headed, it should stay sweet. The blue headed who is the only non-pet pionus that I ever saw personally was hand-fed, but never took well to people. She was constantly nervous and constantly beeping the most annoying beep ever, and a pionus can beep just like a fire alarm, so keep that in mind if your walls are thin. Daisy does that annoying beep, too, but very rarely. She also has a LOUD contact/morning greeting call. She only calls in the morning when the sun rises, and that is just a pionus thing you have to be willing to live with, or when she is alone. Daisy must NEVER be alone!!!!!!!! (I'm being silly.) Daisy actually hates to be alone, though, and she will contact call constantly if she is ever in a room by herself. It may be that some pionus do not have this trait, but everyone I know who has a pionus tells me their particular pionus has the trait. Therefore, I would recommend that you be willing to always have another bird around to keep your poinus company. The bird could be a budgie or a finch. Pionus are not picky about that. There are people with pionus as single birds, but I suspect they have kept them as only birds since they were very little. Most of the bird people I know have multiple birds.

Dusky pionus and bronze wing pionus are supposed to be very similar in personality to Maximillians. I've never seen a dusky, though I have always wanted one. It has been one of my dream birds. I have seen a couple of bronze wings, and they were as sweet as my Daisy. I have, strangely, seen many advertisements for folks wanting to find homes for male dusky pionus with a history of killing their mates. I am sure that is rare, but I've seen enough of those advertisements that I've promised myself that if I ever get a dusky it will be a female.

White caps, as I said, are known to be either very good or not so very good. Female white caps may be a bit steadier than male white caps. I've only handled female white caps, but, as I stated earlier, they were all as sweet as my Maxi, too. I've also only handled adult white caps. I do not know if that generalization that applies to blue headeds, about being nuts, if they are going to be nuts, when they are tiny, applies to white caps or not.

I wouldn't be afraid of getting an older pionus. Daisy was 13 when we got her. However, you also seem young enough to outlive even a newborn pionus. Pionus are one of the most recommended birds for the elderly, too. I think you are young now, but as you age, so will the pionus. OH, and Daisy adjusted very well to changing homes. People worry about leaving their birds with new owners when they pass, but birds adjust to that. They seem to realize it is just a life change. Birds loose mates in the wild all the time and move on. It is a common misconception that most mate for life. Many species of parrots do not mate for life. They have watched most species of South American parrots and found that a few individuals of each species do keep choosing the same mate again and again, but most change it up fairly often.

I will say that a pionus is NOT as playful as a senegal (poicephalus), a green cheek (pyrrhura) or even a grey. It is a trade off. Daisy does play with the toys she likes. She does tear up what she likes, but if you want a very playful bird, I would not consider a pionus a very playful bird. My son had a cockatiel when he was growing up, and, from what I remember, a pionus is similar to a cockatiel in playfulness.


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i am only 20, living with my fiance in our appartment... we may be moving to a town house but we're planning on the next bird when we actually get a house, so noise isnt the biggest issue. when the time comes i may look to a rescue for an older girl in need of a home.

anything specific to their diet? i planned on pellets, seeds, fruits, and veggies like i give my guys here now. but is there anything special i should know?

and the playfullness factor of a tiel is perfect for me. my tiels appreciate their toys, not go nuts like the lovies do over them. but thats fine with me.

to me they seem like what i want. i got many years to plan and research all my options but this one is definately looking like it may be my final choice.

and from what i read, and what you said, i think the maximillian is for me plus, i think theyre pretty too. mind you the bird could have 3 eyes and i'd still think theyre pretty lol


and she would be in the same room as the flock anyways. i plan on having a bird room completely for the birds so she wouldnt be alone.

how would she do out of the cage with lovebirds and tiels? supervised of course, but its not like lovie evil intent is it?


also, cages... just wondering, which would be better size wise... by which time i get her there'd be other cages out there, but these are some examples.

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also, what about linnies?

i was thinking, they'd fit in the flock i have now without accident (big bird injuring small bird) and if ever in a tight money situation, theyre smaller and food wise is more affordable than a larger parrot.

theres not many small parrots out there compared to large ones... parrotlets are cute, but theyre not what im looking for. bourkes i'd like to know more about (same with similar birds in that family) rosellas arent what im looking for....

so grass parakeets and linnies... what can you say on them? exploring all possible options for me in the future.



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Daisy has been very tolerant of my tiny birds. When she was in the store, a baby love bird flew over and landed on her head. She sat very still while the owner retrieved it, and it took a little while for him to do so. I do not believe she would allow one of our birds to land on her head, though, but she knows they are not babies, and that they have better control over their flights and landings than a baby does. She will open her beak and "threaten" Elisa, the linnie, when she flies close to her head now, but she won't go after her if she lands on the same playstand, and my playstands are really quite small. Be warned, though, at one point someone on either the linnie forum or this forum posted that their Maxi killed their linnie, so this is an individual thing.

Daisy hates Roni, my senegal. She does her pionus strut whenever they are both out on playstands at the same time. Pois are known to be aggressive toward most other birds. When Daisy first came home, Roni would try to get over to her, now they both just stay in their own spot, so I think Daisy probably had to show Roni she wasn't going to take anything from her.

I used to give Daisy and Shira, my green cheek, baths together, but I haven't for a while. Shira would cuddle up next to Daisy, then, and Daisy would begrudgingly allow it. Shira picks on the little birds now, though, and so I think Shira might try to bully Daisy, too. If she did, I think Daisy could kill Shira if she wanted to, and so I have curtailed their contact for now. If things change for the better, I might reconsider that.

Bourkes are dolls. They are the bird I recommend second for children, cockatiels being the first. Ours was hand-fed, and Cannary picked her out before she was weaned and played with her while she finished weaning, so she is probably more friendly than many, but I've read lots of stories of other bourkes who are just as sweet. I would be afraid to let lovies have physical contact with bourkes, but your individual lovies might be ok. I'm told Stanley is somewhat unusual for a bourkes - a better pet than most, but I've also read of many other outstanding bourkes pets. They are somewhat similar to cockatiels in personality, but not quite as affectionate. Stanley likes to spend hours on us, and she like to be petted, but only in the direction of her feathers. If you decide to stay with small type parrots, I would recommend a bourkes, but if you are really hankering for a larger bird experience, a bourkes won't give you that. They are fabulous little birds, but they have little bird personalities - which may make no sense. Financially, though, bourkes are great! They don't eat much and they take forever to destroy their toys. Stanley loves toys and plays constantly, but she doesn't tear them up. She would still have all of her original toys if she didn't live with our linnie.

Linnies are like little pionus, but they eat a lot less. I think Elisa eats about a third as much as Daisy. Daisy's toys are bigger than Elisa's, but she tears them up at about the same rate Elisa does.

(I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with this post, but I have to insert it. Ashlynn is practicing "coughing". I thought maybe Cannary was getting sick, but it is the grey! She is such a nerd.)

Check out the linnie forum to find out more about linnies. I think their personalities are very well represented there.

If I wanted a "large" bird experience, but was planning to have babies and other pets, I would go with a female Maximillian pionus - but for very specific reasons.
1) They are big enough to allow more interaction with the kids at a younger age. I've taken the bourkes, the linnie, and the Maxi to school. All three of those birds are gentle enough to trust with kids, but the kids are much more of a danger to the little guys than to the Maxi.
2) They are not as expensive to maintain as most larger parrots. My Maximillian costs me less than a third as much to keep in food and toys as my grey. She eats half as much, but the real savings is in the toys. If you made your own toys, you might not have as much discrepency in the overall maintenance cost.
3) They do not require as much interaction and supervision as other larger parrots. Daisy does not view my furniture as something to destroy. She likes affection, but she is ok to just hang out.
4) They can talk and imitate, but they don't imitate everything they ever hear. Kids don't think about the future, and teenagers can teach birds some nasty things. Do know, though, that it is quite common for all pionus to imitate crying. Daisy doesn't, but she is one of the few pionus I know who doesn't "cry". Actually, Daisy doesn't really talk. She says one phrase, "Good morning". Maxi's in general are supposed to be the best talkers of the pionus, but Daisy isn't one of them.

Understand that all of these traits that I have listed are the very things that PREVENT most people from getting a pionus. Most people who are searching for a large bird want something more playful, more demanding, more interactive, and a better imitator and talker.

Daisy is the bird I get out when I have work to do and I just want a bird to hang out with me. She is the bird who comes out when we have children visiting. If I knew I was going to die, and I had to find homes for the birds, Daisy is the one I would have no fear of giving to an inexperienced owner as long as I knew the person was good around pets in general.

The bourkes and the linnie are very similar to Daisy, and except for their smallness making them more vulnerable to inadvertently being killed by a child - or anyone - everything I said about Daisy applies to them when it comes to being around children and inexperienced bird people.


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Linnies are great birds. They are generally easy going, quiet birds. They can be screamers or be aggressive like any others, but generally they aren't. They have a tendency towards shyness and a fear of hands, but with some time and patience they come around. The biggest thing I've learned with linnies is they can be a little slow to trust. They have very gentle, laid back natures and take their time in all things.

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i am a member on there as ive looked into them before, thats why theyre on my list.

if theyre slow to trust and shy.... well im kinda looking for a bird that is more out going.


but they are on my list.

so far maximillian pionus is at the top of the list, linne second.


and as for the IRN either loving or hating you, thats scary lol but i will like more info on them too. as said, im exploring all options.


as for my lovies, they torment the tiels (well munch does, mango only does it if shes doing it lol) so they wouldnt be good with another little bird well i dont think lol so maybe for that aspect a larger bird would be smarter LOL theyre cute, but they can be just plain evil lol but theyre warming up. i find THEY are slow to trust and thats why im cautious on the linnie with that aspect. ive had the lovies since beginning of february. munch is JUST starting to warm up to me. now she likes scritches, but not every day. and shes cage aggressive. but she steps up out of the cage, sometimes ripping off fingers at the same time. mango will not step up in his cage, hes very skittish. runs away chattering at me lol so birds slow to trust make me worry im stressing them when i try to make friends.

and if birds in the senegal family are know to be aggressive... especially toward other birds, thats crossed off my list. i always plan to have tiels and lovies so i dont think that would end well. someone on another forum has a parrot from that family (forget what kind, its got yellow on his head and wings but thats what i can remember) and a lovebird and she cant have them out together at all as the bigger bird will set out to kill the lovebird



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