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So, I'm a huge reader when it comes to learning about stuff, especially parrots. What I'm looking for is a book that I can order off the internet that has SPECIFIC information about macaws, not some book that's title says macaws and then it just has mainly average information about parrots in general, you know? There are some things I'm aware of already when it comes to all birds, such as diet, health, all basic information. I want to know specifics on macaws and what to expect when I buy one, and I don't want to waste my money and my time reading silly stuff. If anyone knows of any books or has seen any, please let me know! I'm searching the internet now for some.

This leads me to another question that I don't feel like putting in a new thread, hehe. I talk often about wanting an African Grey and a Macaw (Green Wing, I have selected, mainly thanks to Jenny ) but my original plan was to get an African Grey first (when I graduate high school) and then a macaw a few years later. Because of African Greys' tendencies to be timid and such, do you think it would be better to first buy the Green Wing? Would it be easier for me, and then when my experience grows with the macaw, I then buy a Grey? What's your opinions?

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Good questions, Abby. Unfortunately, I don't have any good answers for you. I will check into the book thing.

Regarding which bird to bring home first - that is a tough one, too. I don't own macaws. I don't feel comfortable handling macaws. Therefore, I can give no opinion regarding macaws.

Greys are wonderful, but totally different from conures. There is a world of difference between the way I handle Ashlynn and the way I handle Shira - yet probably more total similarities than differences. (Does that make any sense at all?)

One thing that could make a difference is budget. I believe a green wing would cost much more to maintain than a grey. If any of you out there know differently, please correct me. I do know that Ashlynn is significantly more expensive to maintain than Shira - more than triple the total amount, and it could be even higher.

Another thing that could be a consideration is whether or not you plan to have children eventually.


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I don't know about the books, I have far too many basic books

I'd still go for the grey first if I were you personally and wait 100% until you know everything is settled before you get a green wing. When I go to college in 2 months time I will be working along side with a Congo grey called Arnold every single day and I'll let you know how it goes with him.

Get which ever YOU think will be right depending on your lifestyle etc etc.

I thought you were going to get a green cheek soon too ?

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Maybe Jenny could answer this one. She seems to know more about macaws.

Well, the plan right now is to save all my money I get for my birthday and throughout the summer, buy Kiki that new HQ cage, and then buy her a whole load of new toys because she deserves them and we've been running out. Once I have the new cage, I'll have the extra white cage she's in now, and for Christmas, get a green cheek for that cage. That's what I'm thinking now, but things might change.




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that's a good plan Abby

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Sounds like a good plan, Abby. I don't know of any Macaw specific books that would have enough good info, other than broad based stuff, worth buying. I think you will find more specific info on the web. I do have some good books at home about behavior and training that aren't species specific, but are a good read. I'll find the titles and tell ya.

As for who to bring home first... that's a toughie. They will both be very needy, very demanding birds. The green wing will be bigger, potentially noisier, and more destructive (again, potentially. some aren't big chewers, tho most are, and greys can be very destructive too). The biggest expense difference with a GW vs a CAG is going to be the toy and cage size. The GW is going to need bigger toys (large bird size), which will be more expensive whereas the CAG will need slightly smaller (med size) but can still use the larger toys, depending on the cage size, so you can share/rotate toys between the two when you have both. Their dietary needs will be similar; both need a high protein diet and can eat the same food size/brand, so you're even there.

As for behavior, I recommend CAG's later in life if you plan on having kids, simply because they have the potential to mimic everything including a crying and screaming baby/toddler. The GW can do so as well, but are nowhere near as good of talkers/mimicers. Both have the tendency to bond strongly with one person, so both will be jealous of any boyfriend/husband/children you add to your family later in life The GW does have a bigger and stronger beak, so could hurt someone more in a way, but the CAG can do some nasty damage as well. The GW bite is more crushing and pinching, whereas the CAG is more cutting and tearing. The GW could break little fingers, the CAG could tear the skin up. Either way, you'll have to be very careful.

Ultimately, my advice is this. Which one do you want the most? You may find you're unable to afford/have both or it will take a long time to do so. A GW will be bigger and harder for a new person to handle, they are intimidating in their size. But... a grey is probably just as intimidating to someone unused to parrots. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages, each has potential problems in your future, and they're pretty much even. The biggest differences I see is an larger maintenance cost on the GW for toys, bigger initial cost for the GW (cage primarily, depending on where you live the bird itself may be more expensive), and then the mimicry issue with kids and the CAG. Personally, I would go with the GW first because I know I would go absolutely insane listening to a CAG mimicking a crying baby for 50+ years lmao.

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That's also what's on my mind, what if I don't have enough money for both, and I will have to wait a long while for one? I know I've always wanted an African Grey, but that macaw just sounds really intriguing to me. So I don't know. It's definitely something I have to think about.




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Are there any bird specialty stores you can go to, even make a day trip if need be, where you can play with one? Maybe not a GW specifically, but if they have any large macaws it will give you a feel for their size and personality. I think it's the coolest thing to have a GW or Hyacinth playing with your hands or giving kisses - the beak is huge, their tongue feels so funny, but they can be so gentle...



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Yes, there's the Bird Farm I talk about all the time. That would be a great place to go. It's close by. I could probably send them an email and ask if I could come in and handle the macaws, and what times would be good to do that. The only problem I'd see is my parents not wanting to drive me there.




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Abby,
Personally, I think the best option with birds is to get the bird or birds you REALLY want. However, determining what you really want is not always easy. You also need to select birds that you are comfortable living with.
When I was much younger, in my twenties, I dreamed of having a big macaw. However, I have played with many macaws for many years, and I have learned that I am not comfortable with big macaws. I am not suggesting you would not be comfortable with big macaws. I am only saying that I have learned that I am not comfortable with big macaws.
I hope, as Jenny suggests, that you can spend many hours visiting with many sorts of birds before you actually decide on a bird that could live with you for 50 years or more. (Understand that my avian veterinarian says that MOST large birds do not make it past their 30s, but the potential is always there for a grey to live up to 50 years and a macaw to live even longer.) I believe it is very important that you handle adults instead of babies only. I also believe you need to spend many hours listening to their vocalizations and dealing with their clean up. If, after you have a really good idea of what will be required of you to live with a large macaw or a grey, you really still want one or both, I think you should get what you want.
I have a lot of birds. I enjoy their varied personalities and looks. As many birds as I have, I am not finished. While I have learned that I personally do not want any birds that are larger, louder, or more destructive than Ashlynn - and Ashlynn herself definitely pushes my limits on what I personally can handle - I have also come to understand that I want what I want, and as long as I am able to take care of them, I will get what I want.
I think it is actually good that you are not yet in the position to get either a macaw or a grey now. This is because it will give you plenty of time to interact with each before you purchase, and I think that is good.
Do you drive yet? I hope you can take many trips to bird stores and the like to visit many birds.
Can you list the attributes that you long for in your birds? It would be fun to talk about personalities and other attributes of species we have that match what you are looking for.


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Your posts shows that you were talking about some books on pet birds.let me consider this the best among all but please refer us the source to buy this because i also love to read books on pet birds.Is it available on Amazon.
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Abby, I share your love of Green Wings, though I doubt very much I will own one. My little Hahn's Macaw has a super, saucy personality and fills the shoes of several Macaws. Lol

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Abby have you considered a smaller macaw? Have a look into red-fronted macaws they're not tiny but they're not enormous either

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buy Kiki that new HQ cage,
What HQ cage are you looking at Abby?



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what ever you choose just make sure it's what you believe will suit you best

who knows what you might end up with

sorry I can't help about the books though

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Abby have you considered a smaller macaw? Have a look into red-fronted macaws they're not tiny but they're not enormous either
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I like the largeness of a green wing, and the gentleness of it...I don't want to look at smaller ones!


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What HQ cage are you looking at Abby?
This cage, Bob: http://www.birdscomfort.com/playtops...ird_cages.html




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ooooh okay XD I thought you were generally after just the personality haha!

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No, I like 'em BIG! (Hehehe...) I would SO buy a Hyacinth if I had the money. We both know they are fabulous. I think a Green Wing would be the closest to a Hyacinth, in size and personality.




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but it's not the same is it I MUST have one, some day, I will have a hyacinth bird fund bank like a savings account but just for my birds

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Hmm...I don't know why my signature didn't turn up.
And well, of course they aren't the same. I always try to set money aside for my birds, just in case. A Hyacinth would be great some time, but it's not very realistic, at least not anytime soon.




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