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I would have personally insisted on the blood work and had a complete blood count, disease testing etc. in one go and then you'd know for certain what everything is. At least now you have some answers!

I absolutely love your photos of him, he seems to be growing like a weed
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Hi guys. Just an update. The diarrhea has stopped but his urine is still YELLOW for about 3 weeks now. Still having problems feeding him. No feeding response and he spits back out 10% to 50% of the food we feed him. Food is 25% carrot puree (gerber) and Kaytee hand feed formula. He very active climbing up our 7 ft indoor security gate, couches and anything really high up. Flapping up a storm too all day long.

The only disturbing thing is his weight loss. Friday morning he weighed 1000g and Sunday morning (today) he weighs 945g. 2 weeks ago he weighed 1050g. So that's a total of 10% weight loss from 2 weeks ago to now. He feels less 'meaty'. Unsure if this is fledging weight loss or illness weight loss or a combination of both. Either way I am worried. The vet told me that I should only be concerned if it stretches to 25% weight loss then I have to bring him in. He said that because he is only have 75% formula, fledging and is ill, his weight loss will be more than normal.

Waiting for him to poop so I can show it to you all and also email it to the new Vet I found.
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Good night everyone
Robert has been flapping and flapping and climbing so much. He then came and begged to hang out, so I picked him up and gave him 2 hrs of TLC tonight and then he ate... wait for it... 110 ml of carrot puree and formula mixed.

So without further wait, here is the poop you have been waiting for!
Faeces is almost well formed. Could be a little more solid.
Urates are white.
Urine is yellow. Not cloudy anymore, just yellow.



I have been reading about a product on amazon to help detox the liver called Aloe Detox. Many reviews state that it helped their birdie. My plan is to run the course of antibiotics (10 days), then wait a week after that, till its out of his system and then do 1 week of Aloe Detox (3 times a day). The maybe do another week of detox with a few days in between.

Tell me what you think.

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Robert has been flapping and flapping and climbing so much. He then came and begged to hang out, so I picked him up and gave him 2 hrs of TLC tonight and then he ate... wait for it... 110 ml of carrot puree and formula mixed.

So without further wait, here is the poop you have been waiting for!
Faeces is almost well formed. Could be a little more solid.
Urates are white.
Urine is yellow. Not cloudy anymore, just yellow.



I have been reading about a product on amazon to help detox the liver called Aloe Detox. Many reviews state that it helped their birdie. My plan is to run the course of antibiotics (10 days), then wait a week after that, till its out of his system and then do 1 week of Aloe Detox (3 times a day). The maybe do another week of detox with a few days in between.

Tell me what you think.

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It sounds good that he ate more tonight. Keep at him and try and get him to eat more, if he sees you eat he might want to try what you are having so eat things you know he can have that will entice him and keep his appetite up.

I would hold off on the aloe detox as this is a product given to older birds that have an illness like fatty livers disease and need a clean out. Roberts a little too young to have developed fatty liver disease or need this type of medicine/treatment when he's been dealing with other issues lately.

I'm going to Tag @clawnz here and hope he will come and give some helpful advice about things you can offer to Robert.

Clive might be able to advise you about Bee Pollen which just might be what Robert needs in his diet as well as a few other things which might be helpful.
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Hey all.

Robert ate another 120 ml of formula at 2pm. So happy. Still not begging for food or head bobbing but he ate it.

This picture is him at 8 weeks and him at almost 14 weeks. Can't believe 6 weeks has passed already.



This look like signature material. Was playing the fool with the stylus lasso app and made this.
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Robert ate another 120 ml of formula at 2pm. So happy. Still not begging for food or head bobbing but he ate it.

This picture is him at 8 weeks and him at almost 14 weeks. Can't believe 6 weeks has passed already.



This look like signature material. Was playing the fool with the stylus lasso app and made this.
Great news he's accepted some more formula!

Keep up the good work with him.

I like your siggy its great to see the difference in time how much he's filled in feathering from a pinny chick.
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Great news he's accepted some more formula!

Keep up the good work with him.

I like your siggy its great to see the difference in time how much he's filled in feathering from a pinny chick.

Thanks. Glad you like.

Now who is gonna change this to a proper signature for me???
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Thanks. Glad you like.

Now who is gonna change this to a proper signature for me???


I cleaned your picture up a bit stuck a background behind it and put Roberts name on it. I also added a different foot in the picture as I didn't have the original photo with his foot in it to fix it.

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WOWWWW! Mr. Peepers that looks great! Very amazed. Thank you so much.
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Night guys, fed Robert 90 ml as the 120 ml seems to make him throw up a little.

After I fed him I decided to grab a bite. Took me 45mins to eat as I had to fight off Robert from my plate. He flew up to my lap and I placed him back to the ground then he flew back up to my lap again. This repeated about 12 times. I put him on the table and he jumped back down to my lap. Anywhere I put him he just flew back to my lap. Now that I have finished eating he is just sitting on my stomach licking my top and bottom lips. He is also obsessed with my teeth. Constantly trying to open my mouth. He takes 5 minute breaks to do this erie beak crunching and grinding. Then he goes back to licking my lips and goes back to beak grinding. Why does he grind beak? Beak crunching/grind is loud and it crawls my blood a little.

Can't get him off my stomach. I wanna pee and can't move. Hostage!
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Nice Signature for Robert.
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Chad, ...Time to teach Robert that you need some pee time. Better watch out if he follows you to the bathroom.
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Chad, ...Time to teach Robert that you need some pee time. Better watch out if he follows you to the bathroom.
Yups he does that already. I have to sneak away while he isn't watching.
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Night guys, fed Robert 90 ml as the 120 ml seems to make him throw up a little.

After I fed him I decided to grab a bite. Took me 45mins to eat as I had to fight off Robert from my plate. He flew up to my lap and I placed him back to the ground then he flew back up to my lap again. This repeated about 12 times. I put him on the table and he jumped back down to my lap. Anywhere I put him he just flew back to my lap. Now that I have finished eating he is just sitting on my stomach licking my top and bottom lips. He is also obsessed with my teeth. Constantly trying to open my mouth. He takes 5 minute breaks to do this erie beak crunching and grinding. Then he goes back to licking my lips and goes back to beak grinding. Why does he grind beak? Beak crunching/grind is loud and it crawls my blood a little.

Can't get him off my stomach. I wanna pee and can't move. Hostage!

You've created a cuddly little monster who doesn't want to be far away from you.

Licking is very common especially with young birds they do this with their parent birds so Robert does this with you because he feels you are his parent.

You will have to stop him from licking your lips and checking out your mouth. Humans have bacteria in their mouths/teeth that can be toxic and dangerous to birds causing things like respiratory infections or it can weaken their immune systems causing them to get very ill so its not a good thing to let Robert check out your lips or mouth. You can kiss him on his upper beak area when you give affection as this won't pass on germs.

Also birds can pass on germs to you, chlamydophila infection is a disease that parrot type birds can carry without them showing any signs that they have this disease.

Another thing to consider is sometime Robert may get angry at you and if he feels like it, he will bite your mouth. Don't let him get into a habit of licking or playing with your lips or mouth where it becomes a habit. We never know when we might upset our little friends and they get angry and lash out. You don't want to have an injury to your mouth from a serious macaw bite!

Now! the beak crunching or grinding is a very good sing to see and hear! I always associate it with why cats purr. Contentment. Robert is happy and contented and will grind his beak to show this, most parrots do this. My budgie SPX grinds his beak and I'm happy to see and hear him do this.

Its a little odd to see and hear a bird grinding but its something you will get use to in time and its always good to see because you know your bird is happy healthy and content.
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As Mr Peepers said, you'll have to get him out of the habit of messing around your mouth. Parrots are really susceptible to a bacterial infection called Pasteurella and it comes from the saliva of mammals. That's why us bird folk panic when we see a bird hanging out with a dog or cat. While it may be cute, it's also a horrible way to go

As for psittacosis, you would be likely to catch that by just being around him so I wouldn't worry about that. If he's had bloods and disease testing you'll know he's in the clear for that anyway

Could his weight loss be from all of the new activity?

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Goodnight all. I have so much updates for you! This is gonna be long...
Robert is weighing 900g. That's a considerable drop from the 950g 1 week ago. He is currently 14 weeks 3 days. He is on day 7 of the clavamox/enhancin antibiotic cocktail. I reduced his feeding from 120c 3 times a day to 90cc 3 times a day. Most days since he started antibiotic he throws up. Not a whole lot, about 5ml to 10ml. But it still worries me.

He also hasn't been eating much for the last 3 days (Day 5, 6 & 7 of antibiotics).
During these days he ate 40 ml in the morning, almost nothing lunchtime and almost nothing in the night. He doesn't have the feeding response and just simply does not want to swallow the formula. I offer him chop and soft food 3 times a day but he just plays with it, breaking it up to smaller pieces but I can't tell if he is eating any at all. Since he isn't really interested in formula I was hoping he would at least eat his chop and soft food. I need my Robby Boy to eat ANYTHING. But he isn't eating.

Robert started flying a few days ago. All he wants to do is fly to me from where ever he is in the house. He flies 5 - 6 times a day. If someone is holding him or if he is perched and I pass, he jumps down and follows me, if I hide he comes flying around and trying to land on me. He still flaps a ton. But he flies and circles in the living room looking for a place to land (me). He loves us so much. Can never leave him home. He is a love HOG. He gets loving by me till I am tired then goes to my wife.

So the weight loss could be that he isn't eating AND he is flying quite a bit.

He still pants a bit when he flies but I haven't really noticed him panting at rest.
One thing I must note. Robert isn't acting sick in any way. He picks fights with me, follows me around and cuddles with me almost all day making his baby sounds and begging to be played with. He is ALWAYS climbing, flapping, flying and BITING everything in sight.

Now that I have stopped him from trying to get into my mouth, his new obsession is my NOSE. He licks and nibbles my nose everywhere ALL DAY LONG.

Tomorrow I am going to the vet for a 1 week follow up check up and to do an x ray to check out his throat, lungs, air sacs and anything else. What else should the x ray tell me? The vet says they don't really do avian blood tests and avian cultures. So on Monday I am going to our government veterinary lab to ask if they will do the blood tests and cultures. They asked me what they should be testing for. Can you guys tell me?
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I hope you get Robert to eat. Seems you are trying the best foods.
Formula w carrot puree, chopped mixed veggies.
Try fruits or chopped nuts. Even oatmeal or cheerios. He needs to eat something. I think at this point he should be able to eat small whole foods. What kind of soft food are you offering?
Has he been offered a seed mix or pellets? Maybe you can moisten the pellets in apple juice or carrot juice or any non sweetened juice he likes. I'm just guessing but maybe he's not interested in the formula any more?


I answered on another forum but just wishing you well for Robert
& hope if there is anything medical affecting his appetite that the cause is found & he is treated appropriately.



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I don't know if Robert has had blood & disease testing as he's in Trinidad & there are not good avian trained vets. Chad is trying to get a vet who is experienced with taking blood from a bird & those tests.
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Night guys. As I sit here Robert is preening my beard. And so diligently. I also stopped him from licking my nose just as my mouth as it may be dangerous. He goes through every hair on my mustache and beard. EVERY hair! It tickles so much. if I laugh he just starts over. I am taking 40 mins to write a 2 minute update.

His weight this morning was 920g. He actually ate today! He had 100 ml in the morning, 90 ml at lunch, 95 ml around 6pm and his crop is empty again. I had to force him to eat the formula though. No feeding response. just pouring it at back of throat and asking him nicely to swallow and he does. I have to do this 20 times to get 100 ml in. lol. 5 ml at a time. I love Super Robert (remember he is flying now) so much. These days on the antibiotics he vomits almost on every feeding, only about 2 ml. When I see him gagging I reach for him, hug and kiss him and let him know it will be alright.

Breaking news... I held him at the beak joint tonight and got some head pumps. But they didn't last long enough for me to feed him with head pumping. I got really excited though. Must be the extra vit A. I hope it comes back for good.

Robert is still doing his lick-tickle-preen on me.

He is sleeping throughout the night now and not waking and calling me. Seems he is feeling a little better.


He found a spot on top of the gate that he flies to a few times for the day.
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Keep at him with the food! You are doing a great job at trying to get him to eat and respond to you.

Its obvious this bird is so in love with you and bonded to you well, he likes your nose because its similar to his beak its the same shape and almost the same size so this is why he plays with it. Its sweet he is preening you and it does seem like he wants to feed from you.

Keep offering him food all day, when you eat give him food he should be eating off your plate. If he sees you are eating he will want to eat as well, just trick him and make him think he's eating your food.
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Hey all. Today Robert weighed 935g on empty stomach in the morning after 1st poop. it has been 2 complete days in a row where he has eat 3 meals a day. Around 100 ml per meal. He eats 60 ml with no fuss then I have to force the 40 ml extra down but he doesn't put up much of a fight. He swallows it but makes a crying kind of pitiful sound. Breaks my heart. He gained 35g from 900g about 3 or 4 days ago.

Today is day 9 of 10 on antibiotics (enhancin/clavamox cocktail). His vomiting has been reduced to 1 meal a day and it's only a few drips compared to the puddle from before.

Started doing flight recall training today. I place him somewhere and call him and he flies to me. We did a 20 min session today. I would have loved to give him treats but he doesn't eat solid food yet. He flaps and flaps boy... wow. He plays all day as well. He meets lots of new people several times a week. He meets my clients and employees of my clients. He also get alot of attention from the school children in the vicinity of my office. Can't believe how he just hops onto strangers' arms and cuddles looking for TLC.

He has been active and great.
He will live!
Anxiously awaiting tomorrow morning to go to the government veterinarian and government veterinary lab. They do alot of tests there and I heard the Avian Vet (only one in the country) has a Teaching Assistant. Will be making an appointment to see her. Yiiiiippppyyyyy!!
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Great news! I'm glad he's doing better with his weight.

You can try giving Robert a little taste of almond butter, either give it to him on your finger or a slice of apple. Almond butter is available at most grocery stores its a little more expensive then peanut butter but it is good for Robert to eat and if he doesn't like it I'm sure you and your wife will enjoy it on toast or crackers.

Entice him with any thing you can find. He will start eating more new foods more if you just offer them as often as you can.

Remember to keep offering him things he may not want to eat one day. Just because he refuses it one day doesn't mean he hates it, he might eat it another day. Birds can be fickle like that.

Some fresh foods he can eat.

apple
cherries (not the pit)
pear
apricots
Chinese vegetables like bok choy
peas
asparagus
coconut
peppers (red/green & hot) banana
corn on the cob
pineapple
beans (cooked)
cucumber
plum
chick peas
dandelion leaves
pomegranate
dates
lentils
pumpkin
fig
grapes
raspberry
grapefruit
rice (brown)
kale romaine lettuce spinach
beet
kiwi
blueberry
melons
sprouted seeds
broccoli
mango
squash
brussel sprouts
nectarines
strawberry
orange sweet potato
cantaloupe
papaya
carrot - carrot greens or tops
parsnip
zucchini
peaches
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