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Question Is there really such thing as a good beginner bird?

So, I just wanted to hear your views on whether there is such a thing as a good first bird. Me, I don't really have an opinion on what makes a good "starter bird".
It all comes down to the individual. I think a macaw CAN make a good first bird, as long as the owner is well informed and has researched and researched until they know all there is they have to know about the species. Sure, I definitely don't think one should just go out and buy a large bird without knowing anything about the parrot they have ended up with. But if a person who has never owned a bird before studies up on parrots well before buying it, thinks through their decision to buy a bird home, asks themselves about their situation, asks themselves, "what will I be doing in 10 years" or if it is a larger parrot then your whole life, then it might just be the best decision you ever made.
These things should be considered before buying ANY bird home, not just a large parrot. Smaller parrots that seem to make good "starter" birds such as budgies, lovebirds and cockatiels are often abused and neglected because they are cheap and easy to maintain and the people think that because they are for beginners then they don't have to do any research on them.
Another issue is that people say you should build up to a larger species one step at a time. First they get a budgie, then they get a cockatiel, then they get a conure, then an african grey, then a cockatoo, then a macaw, and so on, and then they end up with a bunch of birds they didn't want and it will be louder and more expensive and take up more space. The birds may fight and be severely injured by larger birds if kept together. Also they might bond together instead of with you. Then what are you going to do with all these birds that you bought just to get the large parrot? Keep them? Sadly, many are put into rescues for this very same reason.
Another thing to consider is, assuming you keep one bird at a time, how long the birds live. Budgies live for abot 10-15 years, cockatiels for 10-20, some conures and senegals up to 40, african greys 50-60, macaws and cockatoos 60-80, but if kept well, some may even reach 100!
If you got the budgie just out of high school, then accquired the cockatiel and kept them both for 10 years for the budgie and and 20 for the cockatiel, and then a conure, and when the cockatiel dies you buy an african grey, and then when the conure lives out its lifespan, you buy a blue and gold macaw. You will be old and the parrot may well outlive you and you will have to arrange for someone to have it when you die; And if that bird was bonded to you, it will be very distressed when you die, and say you left it to your grandson who has no knowledge of birds. What if the bird attacks him?
If you are old, you will be better off buying an older bird if you don't want it to outlive you. But even then it will be harder to train.
Anyone have any opinions on this?
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This is probably one of the best posts I have ever found on here. Honestly you've said exactly what I've always thought! Smaller isn't always better. I'd never tell somebody to go get a lovie or a parrotlet to start with. However. I have a lovie who is extremely sweet. And two others who are ... Horrible? Haha! But I do agree with you. Any bird could be your beginner bird so long as you have done as much research as you can. I'm not going to say the same for other birds though. For instance with falconry we tend to have a starter bird as a medium sized bird from the buzzard family because of their weight management. In the hands on an inexperienced falconer a small bird could die in training

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Thanks, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who's thought that way! We have had quite a few birds. Budgies who were nice, 2 cockariels. one of the tiels was really nice and the other was really mean. We then had an indian ringneck who was wild crazy and uncontrallable. So that got sold. Then we got our linnie, who was probably the most loving affectionate bird we have ever owned. Then we purchased our mealy parrot who died. He was stoical and didn't let you touch him but he did eat out of your hand and had a lovely personality. now we have our senegal who is full of character. It also depends on their environment in which they were raised. The ringneck was from a petshop and was never handled or even with any other humans. The amazon was in a loving home but kept in a little cage and never handled, and would probably have really liked being stroked if he had been handled early. I think you don't choose the bird, but the other way round, you have to let the bird choose you. A bird that captures your heart is a bird you will love forever and never forget.
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You are brilliant! Lol. I've always thought this, just never really put it into words or talked about it on here. Especially since most people seem to have the misconceptions that Budgies or Cockatiels are the "perfect" beginner bird, which they aren't always.
For example, in my local Parrot Club there is a Woman and her Husband who are members of the club and they got a Greenwing Macaw as their very first bird. The Macaw was a complete sweety (she brought him to a meeting when I was there once) and she was absolutely in love with him.
Yes, she was still learning about him but she had done a lot of research beforehand and had talked to members of the club that had Macaws and met their Macaws beforehand and then she actually adopted her Macaw from one of the members that couldn't keep him anymore.
So I agree completely, it depends totally on the person and their situation and which bird will fit into their family, not whether it's small or big.



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thanks, you're exactly right! It always depends on the individual bird and the human's situation.
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thanks, you're exactly right! It always depends on the individual bird and the human's situation.

This is so correct, but you do not hear this very often.
It could be that it is not considered to be P.C.


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Oh you are so right.
every bird is different.
my first bird was a cockatiel.
I went to visit the meyers in the pet shop and the guy had a tiel.
I was living in a caravan as my parents moved to a smaller house and never let me have a bird.
anyways in the pet shop in a cage on the floor was Cocky, my 1st bird.
He was shouting at the top of his voice and I needed him.
so for 20 I got him and the cage which was small but he was only ever in it at night and when he went in the garden.

Then I got given a female tiel a cinnamon I called Virgo who hardly ever left my side.
Then I got my Ducorps' too Lunatic and its just grown from there.

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I'm just curious: how do people manage to keep loads of birds of different species? Do they have birdrooms? I've always wondered about this. And how do you know if they will get along?
the cockatiels are so sweet and cuddly aren't they? But still it does depend on the individual bird.
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All birds would be in seperate cages and allowed out at different times if they didn't get along or if there was a huge size difference. People have bird rooms or they just have the cages all around the house.
Cockatiels can be cuddly but they mostly just like their head scratched.



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I have 50 birds currently, all mixed species and not all parrots. Everybody is in cages or aviaries. Get separate out of cage time and constant supervision. It's a lot of work!

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wow, that's a lot of birds! But I suppose if you have the time, money and space that you can have that many
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See to me, it's not a lot!

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It's not that many when you think about it, if you keep them in different places
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For begginners the good starters are the normal budgies, 'teils, and quakers are easy. As long as you take them out and clean them, no bird is truly difficult in my opinion. I started with my grey who loved me!


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I started with a Parrotlet. Not all that easy. Lol. Parakeets. were actually the last birds we got. I don't think there is a true starter bird but I do beieve there are some you shouldn't start with if that makes any sense.

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I do want to say one thing though, a Budgie was my first bird and I LOVE them. They are such fantastic little birds.



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I think a good begginer bird for anyone is a handraised cockatiel

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yes I agree budgies and cockatiels can make excellent companions for the devoted beginner, as well as the experienced owner. But what gets to me is how some people think of them as "throwaway birds" for when they get a larger bird, and anyone who thinks on those terms shouldn't be owning a bird anyway. But I think, as long as you know what you are getting into with your bird, then any bird can be your beginner bird!
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yes I agree budgies and cockatiels can make excellent companions for the devoted beginner, as well as the experienced owner. But what gets to me is how some people think of them as "throwaway birds" for when they get a larger bird, and anyone who thinks on those terms shouldn't be owning a bird anyway. But I think, as long as you know what you are getting into with your bird, then any bird can be your beginner bird!
Definitely true, a lot of people view "cheap" animals as being throw-away pets which is horrible, but it happens. It'll probably never change, which is sad.
No matter how much you payed for an animal they deserve the exact same amount of care and love that a more expensive animal would get.



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Definitely true, a lot of people view "cheap" animals as being throw-away pets which is horrible, but it happens. It'll probably never change, which is sad.
No matter how much you payed for an animal they deserve the exact same amount of care and love that a more expensive animal would get.
exactly.
My budgie gets the same amount of love and care as if he were a larger parrot. He is allowed out of his cage with the door open so he can get in and out when he needs to, all day, except at night. I try to feed him fresh foods like fruits and veg when I can although he's scared of them. And he loves to be with me all the time and give kisses. He can talk too.
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