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Adopt or buy for new onwers?

Do you think newcomers to the bird word should adopt or buy? I read on another forum people keep telling others, even new owners that they should adopt. It's great if the adoption went well all worked out but what if it doesn't?

When I first adopted a green cheek she was a really bad biter, being inexperienced at the time I had a really hard time with her biting and nearly went on to rehome her again to the next person because I just couldn't deal with her anymore. I did read everything there was to read about aggressive birds but none of the imformation was helping(experience I felt was needed to deal with aggressive birds). Now that I have lots of experience I can deal with the most aggressive of birds, but back then I did really struggle.

I myself don't feel it's right to tell newcomers to the bird world to adopt because if anything does go wrong that bird would most likely be rehome again to another person.

What is your opinion on these Pro-adoption people advising new owners to adopt?

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I think 1st time owners are to inexperienced to deal with problem birds ... If the bird is being rehomed due to aggression then it is not a good choice fora new owner!.
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Do you think newcomers to the bird word should adopt or buy? I read on another forum people keep telling others, even new owners that they should adopt. It's great if the adoption went well all worked out but what if it doesn't?

When I first adopted a green cheek she was a really bad biter, being inexperienced at the time I had a really hard time with her biting and nearly went on to rehome her again to the next person because I just couldn't deal with her anymore. I did read everything there was to read about aggressive birds but none of the imformation was helping(experience I felt was needed to deal with aggressive birds). Now that I have lots of experience I can deal with the most aggressive of birds, but back then I did really struggle.

I myself don't feel it's right to tell newcomers to the bird world to adopt because if anything does go wrong that bird would most likely be rehome again to another person.

What is your opinion on these Pro-adoption people advising new owners to adopt?
For every bird out there that needs adopting and has issues there is another one who has no issues and has simply fell on bad times.

There can just as easily be issues in buying a bird, especially for first time owners of a larger parrot who really have no clue what damage they can do to that bird by babying it in the first years of its life, a lot of birds in rescues with problems are down to people who have bought a bird and didn't think it through and didn't really know what they were doing and didn't treat the bird like a bird. You see it in dogs where people baby them it is not good for the animals mental health.

I always advise people to go out and volunteer in a rescue or try fostering to see exactly what it is going to be like before taking on a bird be it a rescue or buying one.

But yes where ever possible I do ask people to think of adopting a bird who needs it rather than buying one, I take on every rescue I can and really hate it if it comes back that for some reason I can't take on a bird in need, normally down to space issues as I do not own my own house.

If everyone went out and bought a bird what would happen to the ones waiting to be adopted?

Some of them just need a loving understanding home and they can be the perfect family members, especially some of the older ones who have gone through their hormonal biting stage and have calmed back down again.

At the end of the day anyone looking to get any animal be it by buying or adopting needs to do their research and understand what they are getting themselves into, if people actually stopped and thought about it beforehand there would be a lot less animals in rescues through no fault of their own.
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I think it depends on the sized bird like what if a newie wanted a budgie? They could adopt one. As for bigger birds they would need to be experienced.

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I agree with the above comments that first time owners should buy from a reputable breeder.

Birds that are being re-homed usually have some sort of issue and new owners don't know how to deal with that well.

Not to mention when you get a baby (just weaned) they bond to you so much nicer and quicker, you can also train them how you want to train them.

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I have one rehomed bird that's Opey our quaker but he was young like around 7 or 8 months old when I got him but he had no big issues , he has been the best little bird and settled in really nice with us

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I actually do agree with you on this in some ways because they can just end up being passed around over and over again. Nearly all of my birds are rehomes and ones I have taken in. All except for 3 budgies, 2 conures and my American kestrel. But other than that they're all birds who needed new homes. I wouldn't tell somebody who is a new bird owner who wants a lovely tame bird to go out and say, take on a 3 year old hormonal Amazon who has biting issues and divebombs everybody, but at the same time I wouldn't tell them to get a hand raised baby cockatoo!

I do believe that buying rehomed birds or adopting can be far more rewarding though and like the others have said, if nobody took the birds who need new homes then there would be far more birds needing homes in the long run

I think a good option for most people is to buy their first bird from a breeder and gain experience with that one (after tons and tons of research) and if they were to take on another bird then they should adopt or take in a rehomed bird. And so on. But I have a lot of birds and I still buy some from breeders too

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I have both bought and rescued. I wouldn't recommend some birds for a rescue for a first time owner. But I don't see why a girl or parakeet could cone from a rescue. I myself wouldn't rescue a big big bird myself and I do have experience with all different birds. That being said, my first bird was a slightly evil 4 year old parrotlet. A month and he would let me give him scritches so I guess it depends on your determination level too

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If I ever get another bird I would definitely adopt now that I have known quite a lot about birds. It was hard for me at first though with the biting green cheek, I felt like giving up bird keeping all together because her biting were so severe, it wasn't fun for a newcomer. So yeah adopting for me from now on to help out more for those unwanted birds .

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I have to agree I think it depends on the bird and the situation, Im still quite new to owning a parrot Ive had him two years and although I have grown up with birds such as cockatiels and budgies my lil guy is a lot louder then they were and I STILL have a hard time dealing with the noise I have gotten used to the screaming to a certain extent but some days are harder then others. I would recommend for a newbie to start small and gain some experience with a variety of birds then if they feel ready to adopt then thats great cuz their are some poor birdies that need a loving home.


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I see to many people start with a cockatoo. I have one and she's extremely well behaved and I still find her challenging. They come off cute and cuddly but they are also needy and clingy. I think people need to research alot more than they do. I agree with the volunteering with a rescue if able too. I do now and find it totally worthwhile.

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i think it all has to do with the breed , and situation they come from but i wouldn't advise a first time owner to go get a rescue bird because you don't know the level of commitment they are willing to make. it is way easier to bond and fall in love with a hand reared baby and when you have a screaming biting bird that doesn't want much to do with you as your 1st bird you are more likely to give it up because you cant deal with it

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Do you think newcomers to the bird word should adopt or buy? I read on another forum people keep telling others, even new owners that they should adopt. It's great if the adoption went well all worked out but what if it doesn't?

When I first adopted a green cheek she was a really bad biter, being inexperienced at the time I had a really hard time with her biting and nearly went on to rehome her again to the next person because I just couldn't deal with her anymore. I did read everything there was to read about aggressive birds but none of the imformation was helping(experience I felt was needed to deal with aggressive birds). Now that I have lots of experience I can deal with the most aggressive of birds, but back then I did really struggle.

I myself don't feel it's right to tell newcomers to the bird world to adopt because if anything does go wrong that bird would most likely be rehome again to another person.

What is your opinion on these Pro-adoption people advising new owners to adopt?
I fostered and I bought from breeders breeders normally are on the up and up and you dont have to worry as much as buying one from someone who wants to get rid of it....they some will lie and tell you everything you want to hear just so you take the bird and then your stuck with a bird thats untame breeders you know what your getting just saying

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hmmm... Well many people find adoption as a means of attaining a cheap bird, and that may or may not be true, but in any case if an owner is going to adopt, they should have a lot of knowledge beforehand. They should also try to ask the shelter why the bird was rehomed and what care needs to be provided for that bird. The good thing with adoption is that often other people who are selling parrots will often not tell you why they are being rehomed, and you may end up with a bird that you are unable to handle. All too often someone will buy a baby bird and it will end up as a biter or a screamer, then they will sell that bird saying the usual "I am reluctantly selling my bird because I am pregnant/ I am moving/because I don't have enough time." Sometimes they will make something up, because they are so desperate for someone to buy that inside they are screaming "will someone just take this thing off my hands?!!!"
With shelters, they give it to you straight. They tell you why the bird was rehomed, what difficulties you may be faced with, and how to overcome them should you purchase the bird. They will also tell you their personalities and the good things.
However... For a first time owner who wants a bird I would suggest a breeder, who handrears their birds and who can give you advice on caring for the birds.
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I honestly think adoption is the way to go. Yes, you can get a baby from a breeder, but is is really really hard to find a good respected breeder. Most people don't put much thought into having a baby shipped to them so they look local. IMHO it can go MUCH worse with a baby from a bad breeder. They can be sick, they might be badly socialized, their genetics might not be the best, they can push to sell an unweaned baby and that puts you in a worse position then getting an adoption.

Also, people set out looking for their first bird with a lot of expectations. They want a bird to be a certain way. With a baby, they're going to be adorable, cuddly, loving, because they ARE a baby. That's going to change when hormones hit. Maybe not a lot. Maybe by a huge amount. Taking a bit of time and looking on CL and other sites, or rescues could find you that perfect bird. An adult who's got the traits they're looking for. But that's just my opinion.
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If any AA people are reading this thread then please don't attack me for creating this, I know some of you are lurking here somewhere I am totally for adoption because of the vast amount homeless birds about, I really want to help out

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everyone has their own views on it, and no one here should be afraid to post their opinion on it... adopt, buy from breeder, or from petstore. its all down to the person to decide and there is no right or wrong answer. let the bird pick you and you cant go wrong, no matter where the bird came from. still needs a home in the end



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I have done all 3 I have adopted a budgie that needed a home... bought from petstores and bought from a breeder... ( and I have 4 that I bred myself...lol)
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I adopted my quaker, he wasn't a baby when I first brought him home; to someone who is new to bird keeping would be scared to death of this quaker snapping beak, but since I have dealt with birds for a while now I know how to deal with his ornery behavior without much problems.


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Most of my birds were unwanted ex pets, or ex breeders who I have found on rehoming sites. I haven't 'adopted' properly through a rescue as of yet. The store bought birds are my kakarikis as I loved them when I saw them in there and the only ones from breeders are two of my conures and a couple of budgies (the budgies to breed from). I know I commented saying it above. But yeah, I would be extremely happy to get a bird from a site like preloved or CL or whatever! Older birds still make fantastic companions

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