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What's the best parrot for me?

I'm planning on getting a bigger bird in the future so I thought I'd start my research now

I have a big flock of 11 budgies, soon to grow even bigger when my babies hatch

I love my budgies to death! but I've always wanted to own a bigger bird, but it can't be just any bigger bird..

This is what I want from him/her:

- Bigger than a budgie but not as big as a macaw. (Medium size maybe?)

- Cuddliness is a big factor. I want to be able to interact with him/her.

- Not to noisy please! I can stand probably one or two loud shrieks a day as long as is not constant loud screaming. The quietest the bird the better.

- Not too messy and I don't mean seeds and feathers (I can handle that) I mean poop wise. I've read some types of bird squirt poop all over the place? that's a big no no.

- Doesn't matter if him/her needs a lot of attention, I got plenty. As long as is not 24/7 ( I gotta go to work.. and my dog and budgies need attention too!)


So what do you think? What's the best parrot for me? I've always wanted an African Grey



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If you want super cuddly, I vote for a conure or small cockatoo? If you have the time to give, a cockatoo might fit in very well. They can be noisy, but the smaller ones (Goffins, Lesser Sulfur Crested, Ducorps, Citron, Bare-Eyed, Rose-Breasted/Galah) are less noisy The smaller cockatoos tend to be a little more spunky and playful, but still snuggly! They can learn a few words and many tricks, Goffin's are known for learning all kinds of fun tricks



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A STORY:

One day last summer I was in Bird Paradise in New Jersey to purchase a cage for our conure.

While there, in a bunny-type cage on the front counter was a sad looking baby Meyers. For reasons unknown, this baby and I took to each other immediately. My reaction was to run out of the store before I could be swayed to purchase her.

Two weeks later I went back (a 75-minute drive) to see if she was still there. Sure enough, she acted as though she recognized me. I had dragged hubby and daughter and daughter's boyfriend along with me to help me decide.

This adorable bird became instantly attached to my family. When a salesperson took her from us, she squawked and immediately flew (off balance; her wings were clipped) back to my husband and tried to hide. That was it. I bought her with cash I was saving for home repairs. Sigh....

Maya was expensive, but the store is meticulous, gives health guarantees (birds are vaccinated) and they send a lot of food and goodies home with the bird. At home, there was NO adjustment period. She just fit in immediately. We were careful to give her only as much attention as we expected she would get "down the road" to avoid problems over being left alone to play.

It is 9 months later and, although I do expect Maya to go through terrible twos some time between now and the next year or so, she remains absolutely delightful. Cuddly (we confine scritches to around her head), unable to screech, curious and calm. Her worst habit is that she dumps her food into water bowls and otherwise makes a huge food mess -- so I've cut back on the large pieces of fruit and veggies, and opted to give her primarily linnie and conure-sized pieces.

Meyers are very hard to find around here. I actually began looking for one 14 years ago when we ended up with the BCC because I could not find one back then. Mature birds have beautiful coloring, I think. Turquoise on belly and chest area, brownish on back and wings, and bright yellow on head and top of wing. But it's the personality that got me.

She is the calmest bird we have ever owned, looking at unexpected things sideways and "commenting" upon them.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Narrow down your choices, then let the bird pick you.

Also: Consider a rescue, rehomed, or older bird that has been well cared for and that's in good physical condition.
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Maybe a Pionus? They are quiet, but not usually cuddly. I'd love to own one... Or a Senegal? But I don't know how cuddly they are either.
There are great suggestions above I hope you can find a great parrot!


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Oh, I just love stories of bird's choosing their people!
Does this really happen that often?

..Oops! I'm sorry for hijacking the thread!

I can offer a little bit of advice though.. I have always found conures to be a lot of fun! The ones i had experience with weren't terribly cuddly birds, but they sure did love to be with people and play with whatever was around!
I wish you good luck on your search, I know how overwhelming it can seem, haha!
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Bare Eyed Cockatoos or as we know them Corella's are probably some of the best talking birds you can get. My Karl is a beauty and just loves any attention you give him even if it is just talking to him. He is extremely cheeky and a real Houdini if allowed to be. Like all Cockatoos a padlock on the door of the cage is essential and if there are largish holes for the feed and water they need to be locked as well. They can remove dog clips (heavy duty ones) quite easily from the door of the cage so they don't work. And don't leave the key in or near the padlock or they will use it.

Another one to think about is a Princess Parrot. An entirely different style of bird. They have an extremely long tail and are a very slender bird. They have very sweet temperaments and during breeding season the male makes a lovely sound a bit like a tinkling bell, not like a big gong. They are a very quiet bird. There colouring is beautiful with nearly every shade of green with shocking pink around the top of the legs and under the throat and violet over the rump.



Another one of my favourites is an Alexandrine. Probably one of the most regal birds there is. They go a bit feral between 6 months and 1 year as they go through puberty, but once through that they can be great. Basically a green bird but when they fly they look absolutely stunning with that long elegant tail.





Any you get will need to be hand raised. Makes bonding so much easier as they don't seem to develop a fear of humans. But then I believe if you want a tame parrot (apart from a budgie) you really need a hand raised one.
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Sounds exactly like my criteria was for a parrot!

I think you would best suit a conure. Both Pyhurra and Aratinga are nice, but for noise the Pyhurras are generally better, although more Aratingas are bigger.

If you can, try find somewhere where you can meet a conure or other parrot. You might meet a conure and go "no way!" or think "this bird is PERFECT!"

If you can't meet one, do heaps of research. Spending a few extra weeks or more making sure you are making the right decision could save you living out over 20 years with a bird thats not perfect and wishing you had chosen another. Parrots can be hard to rehome.

I think a pyhurra conure would be perfect for you! Green cheeks, maroon bellies ect... they are all sweet, fun, entertaining birds!

- Bigger than a budgie but not as big as a macaw. (Medium size maybe?) Well, they fit this criteria. I began with wanting a cockatoo sized bird, but conures are just so perfect. Their smallish size is completely blocked out by their bold, bigger-parrot personality. They even hold their food with their feet! And, I think they have no idea they really aren't that big

- Cuddliness is a big factor. I want to be able to interact with him/her. They are super cuddly! While also loving rough and tumble and are very curious. It's a perfect mix, really. They are very clingy as babies, but as they grow up they want to explore and play! They are really fun birds!

- Not to noisy please! I can stand probably one or two loud shrieks a day as long as is not constant loud screaming. The quietest the bird the better. They are pretty quiet! Ziggy's quieter than my budgie! It depends on the bird, but most pyhurras are pretty good for noise.

- Not too messy and I don't mean seeds and feathers (I can handle that) I mean poop wise. I've read some types of bird squirt poop all over the place? that's a big no no. Conures aren't known for being to messy. Of course, their poops are quite big compared to a budgie, and if they are getting a good diet including veges and fruit, they can be a little wet. But they aren't something that'd put you off, and they don't really flick food around.

- Doesn't matter if him/her needs a lot of attention, I got plenty. As long as is not 24/7 ( I gotta go to work.. and my dog and budgies need attention too!) Oh yeah, they need a lot of attention! But they are also quite happy to be on their own for a bit. Ziggy is on her won for about 4 hours, but I come home to see her.
And even if your out for more than 4 hours, conures are usually happy to play with their toys and sleep until you get home!

Conures are also little clowns! I'm always laughing at Ziggy, and she loves to entertain me with her playful antics.

Talking ability isn't very good with most conures. But I chose a conure because everything else was just to perfect to say no!

Some conures (blue crowns and others) can be good talkers, but Pyhurras aren't too well known for that. Although, they can make some pretty funny noises, and learn to speak in a rather gravelly voice

Good luck!

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I'm leaning toward conures now, that meyers parrot looks amazingly beautiful as well though. I'm going by personality so we'll see. I still have tons of time to decide :P



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I've been looking through some pictures of different parrots, Quaker parrots caught my eye. They are so cute! but how are they as pets? do they fit my criteria? I don't know much about them.. some of you that own them please advice



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Quakers fit everything except noise... they can be VERY loud! They are very vocal, large flock birds who make almost constant chatter It's not horrible, as it's loud. I find it perfectly manageable and tolerable, but not everyone does. They're the absolute best talkers for their size and are super snuggly if hand raised, but can be territorial and a little nippy



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Quakers are very noisy, as Jenny said.

My first thought after reading your article, Corina, was a smaller conure. Like a green cheek, yellow sided, marron bellied, black capped, etc.

My little green cheek is my shoulder buddy, uber cuddly, full of spunk and no louder then my parrotlet. Yes, her screeches can be a little higher pitched, but i have found that she very rarely makes those noises. Jack my parrotlet is more constantly noisy, similar to a budgie
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How about a cockatiel? They are sweet birds. Small poops, not runny like a conure. Not overly demanding. Ours are okay if we don't let them out everyday. They are easily entertained with chewy shreddy toys. I make all mine and they don't complain. They do produce a dust that keeps their feathers in good shape.
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Quakers are very noisy, as Jenny said.

My first thought after reading your article, Corina, was a smaller conure. Like a green cheek, yellow sided, marron bellied, black capped, etc.

My little green cheek is my shoulder buddy, uber cuddly, full of spunk and no louder then my parrotlet. Yes, her screeches can be a little higher pitched, but i have found that she very rarely makes those noises. Jack my parrotlet is more constantly noisy, similar to a budgie
I love conures, I feel like I wouldn't be able to decide on the type though!

I like Jendays, Marron bellied, Crimson bellied, Green cheeked and Sun conures.

Which one is the less noisy?

..the cuddliest?

.. overall which one makes a better pet?

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How about a cockatiel? They are sweet birds. Small poops, not runny like a conure. Not overly demanding. Ours are okay if we don't let them out everyday. They are easily entertained with chewy shreddy toys. I make all mine and they don't complain. They do produce a dust that keeps their feathers in good shape.
I've thought about cockatiels but its the dust that makes me unsure, I have allergies.. I'm not sure if I could handle the dust. Unless they don't cause any problems with people with allegies? Someone knows about that?



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Cockatiel dust bothers some people, but not others... Shouldn't aggravate your allergies, unless you're allergic to the dust itself.

As for the conure species, the smaller species like Green Cheeks, Maroon Bellied, etc are quieter, whereas Jendays/Suns are notoriously loud! Not unpleasant or constant, but it's a piercing shriek



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I have asthma and the dust doesn't bother me. I do see it when I dust off the telly, which I do often.
Green cheeks are the quietest conure. We have a Black Cap Conure and he is louder! Not more often, just a louder, slightly different call. I call conures lap birds. when I get home I have one or another on me nonstop till 6:30, bird bedtime. And they are jealous of the other birds. All I have to do is go say hi to the 'tiels and Remmy is on my shoulder and in my face!
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I've been looking through some pictures of different parrots, Quaker parrots caught my eye. They are so cute! but how are they as pets? do they fit my criteria? I don't know much about them.. some of you that own them please advice

Quakers are illegal in some states, such as Pennsylvania, so please check before you purchase one.
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Are you able to visit bird stores and listen to the birds and play with them? People tolerate different levels and pitches of noises, and so, since you specifically request a quiet bird, I would say that if you can visit the birds you are considering and listen to their calls that would be best. I don't think anyone else will be able to predict what you can actually tolerate. Also, I would give the same advice regarding the feather dust. If I could handle it, I would have a cockatiel, but I know I can not handle that particular dust, and I don't think anything except exposure to the dust will be able to predict whether or not you will be able to handle it. Cockatoos make even more dust than cockatiels. African Greys also produce a dust.

If you REALLY want a grey, look into them, but do a lot of research before you decide. I have not heard anyone describe a grey as particularly cuddly, but probably some are. They can imitate very loud noises if they hear them, but unless they pick up imitating something annoying, they make a lot of interesting noises but not necessarily unpleasant one. Their own flock calls are not that bad.

Quakers can become very aggressively cage territorial, or just plain aggressively unpredictable, or they can remain sweet throughout their lives. The ones who remain sweet are dearly loved. I have no idea how you might predict what a baby would develop into. Perhaps some quaker owners can give some insight.

Poicephalus can also become aggressive, but it is often a fear aggression or a hormonal aggression, or they can remain sweet. Again, I have no idea how to predict what any particular baby might become. I love my senegal, but she has already gone through one rough stage and I expect more. You could pet her for as long as you wanted. She never tires of that. She has a piercing contact call. I do not know any other way to describe it, although my son likens it to someone scratching fingernails on a chalk board. It really doesn't sound as bad as that to me, but he is younger so probably hears more pitches than I do. She will contact call if she wants me, but ignoring her and very consistent responses have lessened that a great deal. Honestly, for ME personally, I don't mind any of her noises, even her contact call. I wouldn't even have worried about trying to teach her to call less except for the fact that the contact call bothered my son. The rest of us here are not bothered by it. Senegals can be nippy, but training can also curtail that, although during hormonal swings or phobic stages you would probably experience getting some nips. Note that my senegal has given a lot of nips but never broken the skin or left any welts, but some pois do. Meyers and brown heads are supposed to generally be sweeter than senegals. I'm sure some if that varies from individual to individual, but, in general, meyers and brown heads are noted to be sweeter than senegals. Cape parrots, which are now sometimes called Uncape Parrots, Brown Necked Parrots, or other names, are supposed to be the sweetest of the pois, but they are very expensive. They are also noted to have the ability to talk nearly as well as African Greys. They are much larger, closer to the size of African Greys, but don't have the dust like greys have. The only problem I see with them is that there are not very many who have lived as pets long-term, so maybe there might not be enough information to know if they would become difficult or not.

Pionus are generally quiet and sweet. Maximillians are the largest and also noted for having exceptionally sweet personalities. I am sure other pionus are sweet, too, but the Maxi's are noted for being really sweet. Individuals do, on occasion, develop into loud birds, but this is the exception, not the rule. White caps, although the smallest, are generally considered to be the fiestiest of this group. They are not noted to be especially cuddly or playful, but they are supposed to learn to do what is wanted of them very easily, so I would think that if you interacted often they could come to like that.

I would think pyhurrah conures would fit your criteria better than the other conures, but I can't be certain. Suns and Jendays are very sweet in general and also quiet noisy. Look into crimson bellied conures if you can. They are supposed to be similar in personality to the suns in cuddliness but not as loud. Really, any of the pyhurrahs are quieter and noted to be cuddly. They DO go through nippy stages. It is part of it. I had a dusky conure years ago, and she was never loud and never mean. I have never personally known a dusky conure owner to report anything different of their dusky, but I have seen some described in the forums who are not sweet. Mine was sweet and cuddly and quiet, but she never spoke that first word.

The princess of wales is a very different bird and not popular in my area, but might be a great fit in a house full of budgies. I think sometimes it is easier on birds to socialize with others who are at least coming from a similar continent. They seem to instinctively understand one another.

To me, cockatoo calls are unbearable. If you want a cockatoo, do visit with them often to be certain you can tolerate the dust and the sounds.

Linnies and lories are out because you specifically requested a more solid type pooh. I have had both, and was not bothered by the pooh of either, but that was me. The pooh IS more liquid than that of other parrots. Lory pooh is more liquid than linnie pooh.

I have to second the advice to look into an older bird. At least consider it. Of course, MANY rehomed birds are rehomed because they have issues, but if you are fortunate enough to find one that is being rehomed for another reason, such as a change in the owners circumstances or the owner's death, you might find one with a great personality that just fits you. You will have a great chance of knowing what you are getting, because the bird will be settled. They do change a great deal from the time when they are just weaned until they are full adults.

Good luck in your decision. This is a fun time.

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How about a Bourke's Parakeet? They are so quiet. Their poos are not huge and more like a budgies. Again really quiet. And yes they play with toys and chew on shreddables. And like people. find a hand fed one if you can. We got one from a not so good shop in a mall. she is sweet and watches after the tiels when they come out. She is a nursey bird, very caring about the others.
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