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Questionable vet treatment for clostridium? (pls help)

Hello everyone,

Apologies for asking a question here when I'm not a regular member; but, I really need your help.

My senegal, Simon, has had a clostridium infection in his intestines for about a month. This results in stinky morning stool of softer consistency. Our vet (an avian specialist) is suggesting some odd treatments, and for this reason, I wanted to hear what other parrot owners have to say.

Simon was first prescribed metronidazole dosage once a day for seven days. During this treatment the odor disappeared within 2 days and consistency returned to normal. We did a gram sample and it indicated there was no clostridium present. 5 days later, the odor returned and a subsequent gram stain revealed clostridium once again. As far as I know it never went away as its tricky to test for. Next our vet now prescribed Clinsol for treating the bacteria.

This medication is used to treat dental and skin infections in dogs and cats. According to drugs.com, "Dogs: Skin Infections (wounds And Abscesses) ..... deep Wounds And Abscesses Due To Bacteroides fragilis, Prevotella Melaninogenicus, Fusobacterium Ecrophorum and Clostridium Perfringens. Nothing in the way of avian is mentioned, nor do we know if his clostridium is the perfringens type as another lab test proved futile in growing any bacteria."

1.) In light of this, does it seem like reasonable treatment or should we change vets?


The primary warning on Clinsol (below) states that the medication may actually promote more clostridia.

The use of clindamycin hydrochloride occasionally results in overgrowth of non-susceptible organisms such as clostridia and yeasts. Therefore, the administration of CLINSOL Liquid should be avoided in those species sensitive to the gastrointestinal effects of clindamycin (see CONTRAINDICATIONS).

2.) What's the best treatment for this bacteria? he's had it appear a few other times in the past even though his cage is cleanly...we've been given metronidazole as well as baytril previously. The vet recommends an x-ray because of Simon's "pre-disposition" to acquiring this again. I don't think it ever went away...

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Welcome to the forum, don't hesitate to ask questions. Although this may be an odd thing for your vet to give, they do know what they're doing. My lory was put on antibiotics for HORSES and had a fungal treatment for cats! None of which said anything about birds, but they certainly did the trick. I recommend doxycycline if you need an all-round good antibiotic
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There arent many medications specifically for avians. Amoxicillin is issued as "for dogs only!" and they put my cats on it all the time. Same thing with doxy, it has a warning on the label for human use only Another mg dosage says for cats only but we use it for birds all the time. So as far as that goes, the warnings aren't always 100% accurate.

If you're truly unsure about the medication or the treatment plan, your best bet is to get a second opinion from another veterinarian. We can give opinions based on past treatment for our birds, but to get true, qualified medical advice a medical professional is always best

I can say my birds have been on metronidozol before with no complications, but i don't know the supplier or dosage to properly say if it's good in your individual case or not. I've had no experience with clinsol specifically, but I have seen clindamyacin used to treat parrots as well. Again, without knowing the supplier and dosage it's hard to say and I'm not really qualified to say whether it's safe to give your bird. Sorry to not be of more help! The trick is each medication can be suspended in a different solution, different dosages, different inactive ingredients... that's why your best bet would be another avian vet, they're much more familiar with these things!



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thanks for the responses guys. After researching and consulting multiple sources, we decided to go with the treatment. 5 days in and so far so good. The odor and malformation disappeared after the first day (2 doses).
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