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Question bad genetics??

over the last month or so Leo has been giving me a run for my money. starting a while ago, he had a normal moly and some of his face feathers and head feathers, the ones that are striped, came back clear (yellow). i did think much of it since his behavior is normal. fast forward some and he seemed to be becoming blind. once it got darker out, he was unable to move around the tree if he tried to fly and i would always have to look for him. i started putting him back before the others and before it got dark. during the day he would fly and it was like he knew the general direction, but would guess where he was landing. he did not show signs of illness, but more so that he just couldn't see where he was. currently, he still seems like he is mostly blind.

this last molt made everything even more weird.... his feathers were coming in yellow. some of them came it green again, but a few body feathers are now yellow. keep in mind that he was a normal yellow base color (green and yellow, like the wild ones). then his down feathers started sticking out. some of them are abnormally big and fluffy.

he was originally from petsmart (aka bird mill birds) and then i got him from my friend because she didn't take care of him and Ace. so i am thinking that it might be bad genetics, part of me also thinks it might be an internal thing. BUT, i have not brought him to the vet yet because he still has a great appetite for everything, he still sings, still flies/moves around the trees, and still acts like a healthy bird. he even was trying to bathe in the water dish last week! i might consider bringing him to the vet next time i bring leon for his beak trim

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this is after. his eyes are more dilated and i would imagine that its because of his bad eyesight. (he was a little scared of the camera in this pic so he is skinny looking)


i have to get a picture of him and the down feathers sticking out. this is another after

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Looking at his now picture (the 2nd one) he looks a good size, he has what I call the pudge line down the middle of his tummy area which usually indicates the bird is a good healthy size. But the blindness issue is something you should think about seeing a vet sooner about as it doesn't sound good at all.

In the last picture I can see where his feathers look curled and not perfectly straight as budgies usually are. His beak is an odd coloring and maybe could use a little trim as well.

Mr Peepers my canary has a liver problem which causes problems with feather growth, Peepers only moults once a year but because of his illness his feathers are curled and super soft like down which is not a healthy feathering for a canary.

I would take your Leo to the avian and get him checked out. I hope he will be okay and its nothing serious to worry about.

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Reading your post I've also be thinking about a liver problem.
Problems with the plumage, beak overgrowth, eye problems.
Are you sure he gets enough Vitamin A?
I would also take him to an Avian vet.
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I think older budgies are supposed to lose the bars on their heads. The other symptoms sound worrying, but also how old is he? I've seen some birds in Petco that are older, probably spent breeders. If he has a ring, there might be a year.

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Mr Peepers my canary has a liver problem which causes problems with feather growth, Peepers only moults once a year but because of his illness his feathers are curled and super soft like down which is not a healthy feathering for a canary.

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Some canaries have soft feathers. They are the non intensive type of feathers. Also, mosaics have the very soft feathers. Being color red he could be non intensive.

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It is very common in budgies to lose the bars and gain more yellow as they age. I don't know anything about the other symptoms but if he is getting older sight going could also be a factor.

I would seek the assistance of a vet you may also be able to call in and ask?

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Some canaries have soft feathers. They are the non intensive type of feathers. Also, mosaics have the very soft feathers. Being color red he could be non intensive.

True about the non intensive making certain canary breeds have the soft feathers but my avian said the bad shape of the feathers bent and out of line as well as blood flights that were curled badly were an obvious clue to his liver disease.





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When my friend bought him, it was 2011 and he had already lost his baby bars on his head, so I would say he is around 4-5 years old. I also have thought that it was his liver, but he is still acting normal :/ I will bring him to the vet when I bring Leon, unless I feel he is not doing well (ie not eating, preening, etc) then I will bring him sooner. Leon will need his beak trimmed soon. For now he is happy and I would hate to stress him out

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Liver issues may not lead to bad symptoms until they are very far progressed.
If the problem is the liver and he might eat less or shows other symptoms of not being well it may happen that the treatment is not succesful any more.
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he still has a great appetite and is still preening, singing, bathing etc. he doesn't fly too mush anymore due to bad eyesight, but he still does move around the trees and sometimes he will fly to a hanging gym.

i just clipped his nails and when i was holding him, some of the down feathers were coming out. they appear to be really long. when i let him loose it looked like i had cotton candy on my hands! the down feathers are normally small and have a round fluffy shape (as we all have seen) but these were probably a little under an inch long, with a feather shaft- a very thin one. its almost like the down feathers grew in, but were mutated and so they are long. most of these long downy feathers are just below where his wing sits. leon will need a beak trim soon, so i will be bringing leo along with him.

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ok here is a picture of his fluffies....



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That's a lot of soft flooofie feathers on him, I see he's finishing up a moult but I can't imagine that's whats causing this condition of his feathers and his eye sight problem.

I'm glad you are taking him to the vet when you take Leon in for his beak trim.





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I suspect it is liver disease. I had a male budgie who was the same colour and expressed the exact symptoms. Great appetite , highly active but yellowing of feathers and loss of bars on the head.

My Kiwi was around the same age too. It kept getting worse and eventually when I did take him to the vet , it was too late.

Please take Leo to the vet ASAP. You still might be able to do something for him .

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