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Concerned about Sam

Sam is my biggest budgie, 100% English female. She's really beautiful. I haven't had her too long, perhaps over a month now. She has been fine except for in the last week and it's really starting to worry me.

Firstly, I noticed that her breathing seemed a little laboured and her tail was bobbing a tad, I checked her over and she appeared fine. I was thinking perhaps because of her breed and flying around a little she was a bit worn out, I mean all my English have been lazy fliers. I had been keeping an eye on her. In the bird room we have a heater and a lamp. I always know they're getting light and heat. Over the last week the weather outside has been awfully cold but in the bird room 20C, so I wasn't too worried about that. The other budgies around her also appear to be super fine. She appeared to be quite tired and sleepy a lot but not enough for me to be concerned about. She poofed up a little bit but not too much. I've been able to handle her and she's still been very fiesty. She eats plenty all the time and always has a drink too. She feels okay though her keel sticks out quite a lot compared to my others. She also has an unsual posture, like she is leaning forward a lot. Her breathing then started to get worse and she's been quite wheezy. This really started to worry me. I've never had any problems like this before. I've had birds with scaly face mites and air sac mites and all have been treated but she just sounds like she's gasping a lot and like I said, her tail has been bobbing. Tonight I decided that I was going to give her a shower and see if she perhaps had a nostril blocked up. I put her in her carrier and the darling stepped up great (she's not tame) and went right in and came out fine too. Just before I put her in the shower I thought I would give her a really good check over. Her flight feathers had some clumpy blood on them, so I knew I had to get this cleaned out asap. It looked like she had broken a blood feather on each wing. I don't know how I missed it, unless it happened earlier before hand. I give every animal a health check every day. Then, something even worse that had not been there earlier freaked me out. There was a bug, about 3mm long, quite round squidged into her feathers in the top of her head. To me it looked like a little black tick but I haven't got a clue. I panicked about it being on her and I had to act fast because I was scared of it (+ I'm terrified of bugs no matter how small!). I wrapped her up in a towel and covered her eyes and kept her head still so we didn't accidentally slip and hurt her. Jack got some tweezers and pulled at it but it was pretty wedged. I said go deeper and pull it from the bottom and he did and the poor baby let out a yelp. I felt so dreadful. There was no blood or anything and I through the little *@#$ into the sink. I got rid of it by flushing it away. Urgh. I put her under the shower and cleaned her wings up all nice and checked all over her feathers for any other bugs and she was fine. No more. I took her out and had her on my lap for a bit to cool down but I've put her inside our conservatory for the night (nobody goes in there but me so it's nice and quiet) with the heater on and she is settled at the top of a cage. I only put a bit of food and water in and one toy. I didn't want her to be too stressed by all the toys. She seems okay now, but her breathing has gone to being quite odd again. Usually I know what to do but I don't know an avian vet and usually I can sort things my self.

Does anybody have any suggestions as to what the breathing may be caused by? and does anybody have a clue what that horrible bug was!?

I have checked the rest of my flock and they are all fine, no signs of illness or any bugs on their feathers. Just her

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Hmmmm This may be a respiratory problem Observe her for a few days and let us know how she's "living"
Posting this on TalkBudgies will help you alot, since theres alot of experts there

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Daisy -

I don't know if you read my earlier thread about Charley when I first brought him home. He was called "Harley" then. He's a Hahn's Macaw.

He was home for a few days and I noticed a clicking sound (more like sniffling, I realize now), when he breathed, and then he started tail bobbing. He had already been for his new bird wellness checkup and the vet noticed the sniffling, so said to keep an eye on him.

When the tail bobbing started, I knew he was having a respiratory problem, so I got him back to the vet asap. He did a lab culture and said there were some abnormal cells, and that Charley has sinusitis. He was put on Baytril for two weeks, and got somewhat better, but I still heard the sniffling, so took him back to the vet. The vet did another culture and there were no more abnormal cells. The vet also did an x-ray and said everything was okay.

I keep an eye on him and occasionally give him a "steam" in the bathroom by running the shower with hot hot water until the bathroom steams up. I let him stay in there (in a cage) for about 10-15 minutes and it seems to help with the dryness.

I would say she probably has a respiratory problem, which can be much more serious in birds than in people. If you can, he should be seen by an avian vet.

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I'm no expert by any means, but I'll throw in my opinion as well. It also sounds like a respiratory infection to me, you can usually buy anitbiotics at petstores or feed stores for this kind of infection. I try to always keep some on hand just in case. If you feel comfortable giving them antibiotics without a perscription you could try this and see if it helps.
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Well I usually treat my own birds if needed. I've only ever had to take one of my birds to a vet once. I knew it was a respiratory infection. Or something to do with it. Today I can't hear anything since she had that shower and she appears to be okay in herself. I will get her sorted though.

This morning she was covered in blood. Washed her off again and she'd broken a blood feather pretty badly I don't want to pull it. It looks really painful and it's verging on coming off.

She's more alert and she was chirping really loudly. I just want her to be okay

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Sounds like she might be doing better than, thats great.

My Mom used to have a cockatiel who had a problem with his blood feathers and I guess he would bit at it or somthing and would start bleeding. This happend quite a few times.
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Oh I hope she gets better

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Could it be mites? Airsac mites? I would take her to the vet, Daisy



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as for the blood feathers, you will have to pull them. if they are left in like they are, she can keep knocking them and making them bleed all over again. if she is sick, she wont do too well handling blood loss either. get a pair of tweezers, have cornstarch or flour on hand. grab the broken feather as close to the wing as you can with the tweezers and gently pull straight out. dont bend or twist the feather. just a steady straight pull. then use the flour or cornstarch on the empty follicle to stop the bleeding.

for the respiratory problem, keep her warm and keep the humidity up for her. make sure shes eating, just basic sick bird needs. you can put honey in her drinking water to give her energy as well. honey is also a natural antibiotic, but she will need proper antibiotics for a respiratory problem. and it could also be a type of mite or other problem so in this case, its best to have a vet take a look



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Thanks everybody for all of your help.

GREAT news. Sams tail has stopped bobbing and the blood feather had come out not long after yesterdays post, I was waiting on replies but it did come out by itself. Her wing appears to be fine now and she is not at all in any pain from the looks of things. She has really perked up. Her breathing was very wheezy but not you cannot hear her. Her body isn't moving up and down like crazy and her tail remains still. She started eating again like a little piggy and she has devoured her food and millet. She must of been very hungry. She also has started to fly around (she was very lethargic before hand) a lot now! She is bouncing around the cage and playing. She got very vocal today. I have not seen any bugs on her what so ever. No more blood or anything.

I'm still keeping her in the house (she was outside in the outdoor bird room) for a few more days just to keep a really close eye on her.

Thank you all for your kind words and advice!

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Yay! That's so great Daisy.
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glad to hear it. poor little girl

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Thank you both she's back with her friends now and she seems better than ever. I've wormed her and given her treatment for any mites and parasites which will stay away from her for about 4-5 months. I also did this with every single one of my other birds. Took me a good hour to catch everybody and treat them!

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That's wonderful news. Glad she is better!




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Sounds great! So glad she's better!

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Thank you! I have some cute pictures of her coming up in a new thread. She's still doing great

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Daisy, I'm glad its good news.
If the bug was a tick it may have left some mouth parts behind.
You have to unscrew a tick. I cant remember which way.
Keep your eye on her as any parts left behind might get infected.
Also ticks inject an anticoagulant into their host to stop their blood clotting so its easier to drink.
Also they have no bum so it comes in and goes out the Same hole.
Causing infection.
I hope there are no complications.
I lost my male tiel to a tick earlier this year.
I keep a much closer eye now.

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Thanks Kate! I'm sorry about your tiel. I think what I believed was a small bug like thing was actually blood that had dripped from her blood feathers and hardened. She got some blood on her head after that and it went solid, I had to pull it right off too, and it appeared to look the same. Silly me. I'm so scared of them having any mite or tick!

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