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Cockatoo and early renal failure

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I have a 9 year old male Umbrella cockatoo.
My cockatoo Luna may have early renal failure. He has to go back in April for another test. Does anyone here have a bird with renal failure?
My vet is having me take him off pellets for a month to see if that helps. Has anyone had experience with pellets and renal failure?
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I have no experience with this but I hope he is okay

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i dont have personal experience, though diets high in protein can be a cause, and pellets are high in protein, so because theres that risk of that being the cause, it is best to limit the protein--meaning pellets, eggs, insects, meat, nuts, etc.

pellets are unfortunately one sized fits all and some species can have overdoses on some of the nutrients in pellets, particularly protein, vitamin A, and calcium, especially if they are a high percentage of the diet or are supplemented with other foods high in these things.

best way to provide a balanced diet in birds is to offer a seed based diet, supplemented with fresh veggies and fruit as well as a lower percentage of pellets. variety is the best. you also want to avoid diets high in iron (so not much pasta or rice) a bit of everything, but for now since the vet said to remove the pellets, stick to seed and a good strong variety of veggies.

if you can get sugar free cranberry juice and put it in his water until the water is light pink, this would be good, or offer fresh cranberries daily if he will eat them. cranberries are excellent for supporting kidney health, and they can do wonders!! a few breeders i know swear by them, and ive had UTI's and i drank cranberry juice by the gallon for a few days and it went away with the cranberry juice, so i personally believe it works. its well known for its health benefits for the urinary system, which the kidneys are a part of ginger is also a good herb for the kidneys, you can buy pure powdered ginger at most stores, you can sprinkle it on his food, or again feed him fresh if he will eat it.

you dont want to totally eliminate the protein out of the diet, but you most definately want to reduce it.

i know diets too high in protein can cause gout, which is not a good thing.


good luck with your too, i hope all is okay!!


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http://www.healthyfellow.com/251/ginger-root-power/



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Thank you for your suggestions.
My Cockatoo is eating mainly a cooked diet right now. I would never have him on a mainly seed diet. He just eats sunflower and safflower seeds and tosses the rest. Brat...
I know the moisture from the cooked diet will help his kidneys and was okay'd by his vet.
I may offer some cranberries but those seem to be good only for preventing a bacterial infection specifically E. colli so may be better as a preventative. I had talked with my dog's vet about this in the past.
I will have to ask my dog's vet about the ginger. She is a holistic vet who does herbs and acupuncture.
Has anyone ever used Rehmania 8 or Kidney Essence herbs? My dog vet doesn't treat birds but those are the herbs she would usually use for dogs or cats.
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i only know a few that are safe for birds and i am not familiar with those herbs. not all things that are safe for cats or dogs arent necessarily safe for birds

the cranberries will support the kidney health in general also so theyre still good to give.


yeah if he just picks out two seeds out of a seed diet, then seed isnt the best option for him because thats just being plain picky :P



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I would never give him the herbs unless I knew it was safe. My holistic vet doesn't treat birds so she is unsure if they would be safe or how much he would need. She would still have to do some more research. But I don't think he would take them anyway as they don't taste very good.
He has always been picky.
At least with his cooked food he eats most of that. I still have to add more veggies to it so he eats at least 50:50.
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With seeds alot depends on the mix you are using if he is only eating the sunflower and safflower. If the mix has mainly the big seeds and no or very few millets that could be the reason for him only eating the sunflower and safflower, especially if the mix contains milo (or sorghum) I find that very few birds will even look at it. It is a largish red or brown round seed. In the wild they love it but only when it is green and growing, fully ripe it is too hard and the birds don't find it appetizing.

I have never used a seed mix for large parrots as I just don't like the mix or the quality of the seeds in them. With all my birds from budgies right up to the too's I use a Peachface Mix which is basically a good quality budgie mix with the addition of about 10% sunflower and safflower. Too's are very wasteful at the best of times and yes mine love the sunflower and to a much lesser extent the safflower. But all of mine do eat the millets as well.

Too's are also very prone to obesity and my avian vet recommends that their food container not be topped up everytime they bucket the seed out with their beaks. I only top their dishes (they are reasonably big) up every 2 or 3 days. And they are all in beautiful condition and very healthy. I know it is not easy thinking that they may be hungry but they really aren't. Not feeding them so regularly also entices them to eat everything in the bowl and not just pick out what they like the best.

You could also try just giving them a budgie mix with no sunflower or safflower in it. Or just buy the Sunflower (make sure it is grey stripe and not black) separately and just put a very small amount into the budgie mix. Too's can be very picky but with training you can get them to eat a much better diet for their health.

As a matter of interest one of my too's has won Champion Cockatoo in our Parrot show every year for at least 6 years. They have never been beaten by anyone elses birds either in their class or for the top prize. I also win Champion Cockatoo Hen every year.

The pellets may also be causing mild dehydration because they are so dry and the bird may not be drink enough water to counteract that. This will also cause renal failure. Seeds do not dehydrate the birds like pellets can. I am not a fan of pellets as I don't believe that one mix fits all. Too's need more calcium than many birds and less protein and fat, and unused protein will turn to fat in the body. I don't use pellets at all and if I have fed them it is only as a treat and not a diet. I much prefer a good quality seed mix combined with fresh fruit and vegetables in season.

Cherries in any way shape or form are also great for birds with gout. They can be served as juice, canned or fresh (removing the pip) and even glace. They all work.
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My too used to have a seed and fruit veg and whatever else she stole off me!
She used to like dunking a biscuit in my tea!
I'm sorry to hear Luna is ill.
I taught mine to stand up the side of the cage and flap her wings on command to try and combat obesity.
She did this until she was puffed out!
Does she like a lot of fruit? the juice in it will help keep her hydrated and flush out her system.
I hope she does ok.

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I have posted them before Kate. You just may have to wait until this years show and get some new ones. It is at the end of May so not long to go.
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