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I am considering adopting a 2006 hatch umbrella cockatoo hen. She is a card. I am very attached to her, but uncertain about whether or not to take her. Someone else was looking at her on Saturday, so it may be a moot issue.


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Oh nanay next to hyacinth macaws, umbrellas are my favourites parrots! I really hope you get her and if you do then good luck!

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Nanay - would they let you foster her? Trial period?



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I'm going to talk more about whatever the possibilities are tomorrow, if I can. I do have to purchase a new cage for her, but if they would let me foster her for a while, even if it didn't work out, I could use the cage for Ashlynn.
At this point I am totally enamored with this bird. She whistles the Mexican Hat Dance, with her mouth wide open. She says various renditions of her name and "come here". She sneezes and then says, "bless you." I suspect she says other things that I have not yet heard. She also mumbles under her breath. She seems to have a lot to say, but we can't understand most of it.
I want her very much, but my fear is whether or not I am capable of meeting her needs.
When the owner and I origianlly spoke about birds that were in need of homes, she had mentioned something about needing to find people who could foster the birds to determine their suitability as pets, but we were speaking then about the pionus that Cannary and I worked with. We did not need to bring her home because in just a few short visits we were able to determine that she is wonderful. She is already comfortable at the store, and they are able to let children hold her.


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Nanay, if they'll let you foster her and you can afford the cage, I say go for it. You won't know until you try. What you really need is to hear a full scream in person from an umbrella or moluccan to know what to expect - that's the hardest thing to handle.

I've found cockatoos to be only slightly more needy than other species when on a set, regular schedule where they KNOW what to expect - deviations tend to lead to screaming Rio used to talk quietly, then talk louder, then whistle loudly, then start to squawk if he didn't come out on time.

The other big adjustment is the dust - it does get everywhere. But, for me, it's a minor adjustment and not a big consideration. You do have to keep it under control as some South American species, specifically Macaws, can be allergic to it. I would recommend an air purifier by the 'toos cage, if you don't have one already, just to eliminate some of the dust



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Jenny,
I think you are right. I hear the umbrellas displaying in the store, but I think it would be different in the home. I think it would be worse in the home, but I am not certain.

I would need an air purifier. I was going to get one anyway. I would probably need a bigger one, though, or perhaps two instead of one. Maybe I would need one specifically for the umbrella.

If I can do it on a trial basis, I will definitely try it.


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If you can afford all of the stuff and cope with the noise levels then I'd say do it. If she is so loving and sweet like that I don't think I'd be able to resist!
Are you actually going to consider it nanay? If you do get her I'm sure she'll add more love to your life hehe.
But as Jenny said. They're very loud when they want to be!

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I think this would be a great idea, Nanay!
You seem to be taking everything into consideration, which is good.

Let us know what happens next!




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Well,
I spoke with the store owner again today. She said it is ok if it takes me a month or so to buy a cage for her. I needed that time to afford the one I want for her. Also, I am going to take some feather samples to my doctor and make sure I am not allergic first. I will also speak with my vet this Sunday. She is the one I took two behavioral classes from, and she has three cockatoos herself, two Moluccans and a bare-eyed, all re-homes.

The following things will have to be in place first:
purchase a scale (My vet wanted me to do this for all of them, but I am waiting for one to arrive in the store.)
purchase at least one air purifier
purchase a travel cage
purchase a play stand large enough to accommodate her
purchase her cage
get the allergy clearance from my doctor (I do not think I am allergic to her, but I want to be certain.)

I think so far that is it, but I want to be certain I can do these things.

Also, I want to be able to build that outdoor enclosure for all of my birds to be able to have some play time outside when the weather is nice, but that would not need to be first. I simply want to be certain I can still afford to do that. I think the ones I already have would benefit from it.


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From the look of it then nanay you will be taking her home? Hehe. I really hope you do!

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Daisy,
I suspect you are correct.

I am totally in love with her, so what else can I do but make every effort to make it work? If I can afford the things she needs and I'm not allergic, home she comes.

I SOOOOOOOOOO much want to add a cute little picture of a cockatoo to my signature, lol, but that would be jumping the gun.


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My Umbrella was absolutely the best bird ever, I was so sad when I had to rehome her (it was not her fault, it was me as a single person having to work 2 jobs at the time and it was not fair to Angel). Mine was an amazing talker, which is not usual for a U2, she also hardly ever screamed. Anyone could handle her, in fact we often did classroom visits and she would willing go to even the little screaming kids LOL She NEVER bit anyone, ever....even once she hit sexual maturity! She was a very picky eater, but much of that was related to weaning issues (I bought her at 3 months and was told she was weaned - she was nowhere close to weaned!)

Placing her was like rehoming one of your own children, it nearly killed me but, she has a great home and I know she is still doing wonderfully there, so that is the most important. But if I get a chance to bring home another like her, I won't hesitate!

There are a lot of cockatoo horror stories out there, but not all cockatoos are nightmares!
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Awh that's so sad you had to give her away a lot of cockatoos can be very lovely. The bare eyed I almost bought was a real darling. He never bit. He did do little love nips but he wasn't vicious. I really admire cockatoos.

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It was wonderful to hear about your cockatoo, Lisa. This one whistles and dances to gain attention. I hope she and I can establish that as a method of communication because I think it might help keep the screaming to a minimum.


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I hope to go to the store today and speak with my vet about adopting Aurora. She has her new class in there tonight after the store closes, and the owner said it was okay for me to come and ask her before the class starts. I don't know what I will do now if she says she advises against it. I am very attached to her already.

If, after speaking with the vet, I feel I can accommodate her needs, the next step is to be tested for an allergy to her. I do not think I have one. I do not have any sort of negative reaction after visiting with her. It is simply that she is so large and produces so much dust that I want to be certain.

While Cannary and I were visiting with her between work and going to our worship service on Friday evening, a gal came in with a 15 year old Moluccan. What a stunningly beautiful bird he was!!!!!!!! He stepped right up to the workers to be groomed, and was friendly with everyone. He seems much larger than Aurora, and, in fact, they weighed them both. She is 1.2 pounds and he is 1.8 pounds. (I could convert that to grams, but I'm too lazy.) She and I talked at length about the birds, and I told her I am thinking of adopting Aurora. She explained that he is not agressive in the least. He is VERY loud whenever she has company. He does not show any signs of sexual frustration or behavior indicative of wishing to mate, and never has. (The vet says the same about her 20 or so year old Moluccan male.)

We all talked for some time about how sweet the Moluccan is. He is also in perfect feather. The owner made several comments that she wished she had not gotten such a large bird when she got him. She said repeatedly that she wished she had gotten an umbrella or other smaller bird instead. (Both Aurora and the store's umbrella hen were out with us, so we had the two umbrella hens and the one Moluccan male. You can imagine, there were many variations of the crest display going on. Additionally, the fellow who bought the lesser sulphur crested baby that made me fall in love with cockatoos in the first place was in there, but he didn't have his lesser with him. Oh, and I fogot one other thing, there was also a goffins in there being groomed, too. It was cockatoo night.)

So, we all admired the Moluccan for quite some time, and he reveled in the attention. I was relaxing and thinking that it was the right decision to bring Aurora home. Here was the proof that cockatoos could be happily homed long-term. I've seen this gal bring in her Moluccan previously. I've been in there often when another gal brings in her slender-billed cockatoo. The manager and his wife have a greater sulphur crested and a goffins. I know another family with both a goffins and a citron. Another gal was in here the last time I was in here telling me about her seven year old moluccan male and how sweet he is. The vet has three large cockatoos. This can work!

Then, right before she leaves the store, the gal with the Moluccan says, "I would rehome him if I could." She was serious! She asked me if I wanted him instead of Aurora. She then went to ask a gal who works there if she would really take him. She said he is simply too large and loud, and her responsibilities have changed. She honestly wants to find him another home and get herself a smaller bird. I asked her, just out of curiosity, what she meant by a smaller bird. She said she believes she would be happier with a finch than the Moluccan.

After she left the gal who works in the store told me I should take the Moluccan instead of Aurora, but she is always telling me that I should pick a different bird than the ones I have picked. I think she has a strange sense of humor, is all. I do not think she was serious.

OK - first - I am in NO WAY considering taking on the Moluccan instead of Aurora! I am either going to take Aurora or I am not going to take any cockatoo. If I can handle a cockatoo, it will be Aurora, whom I already have a serious attachment for.

The idea of picking a different cockatoo instead of Aurora is not my issue here. My issue is that this beautiful Moluccan who displays no behavioral issues other than being extremely loud when company visits is perhaps needing a new home. This woman has always seemed very devoted to him. Nevertheless, she now feels she cannot provide for him. It scares me.

I do not know if I've put it on here or not, but even my vet will say without reservation that although she loves her three cockatoos and would never give them up now, if she had known what she knows now before she fell in love with them, she would have stuck to cockatiels.


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A large post nanay but I enjoyed reading. Meeting all those 'too owners must have been fun. It seems like you do really want to adopt this umbrella. If you do I want a LOT of pics posting of my favourite species glad to know you're considering her and if you don't get her you won't get another cockatoo. Great thinking there! I really REALLY want an umbrella cockatoo. The closest I've had to buying one was putting a deposit down on a bare eyed cockatoo called Eddie. I wanted him SO bad but somebody came in with the money there and then. So I ended up with a refund. Not a cockatoo

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Awww, poor baby. I love moluccans See, when we got our Moluccan, Nanay, my mom and I checked out every book in the library about parrots and read them, we read all we could find on the internet (not a lot back in... 2003, yikes!) and talked to the people at the bird shop (the one I worked at) for WEEKS about it... then my Dad bought Rio, at the time a 4 week old ball of pin feathers, for us my mom as an early Christmas present. So we knew exactly what we were getting in to - we knew they were VERY loud and potentially aggressive...

I don't know, I guess it's just me, but I can't imagine NOT expecting the noise and care conditions of a bird that size... Anyone who wanted to buy one of our moluccan babies got the lecture on cage size, noise level, etc. It also helped that we could usually get the youngsters worked up and playing so they would scream in the store, and once one bird screamed the others did - we always had one bird we could get going Usually, when we got one cockatoo out the others would scream wanting to come out and play since we usually let all the toos of similar sizes out together at the same time.

I hope you get good news from both the vet and doctor, Nanay



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Good to know you're going through everything before you even think of bringing her home. That's what good bird keeping is all about hope everything goes good, with the allergy test etc

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Well,
I went tonight. First, there were some old friends there, so neither Cannary nor I got her out for a good half an hour. She saw us, bobbed her head up and down to try to get our attention, made her growling sound a couple of times for less than a minute each time, but waited until we went to her. I think that is pretty darn good! I'm making it a habit to spend lots of time in the store when I am not with her so she gets the idea.
They had another poor umbrella in there - not necessarily up for adoption - when the birds first arrive the owners are still figuring out what they are going to do. Anyway, this one is younger than Aurora and plucking totally differenty, on her chest, like she has an infection there under the skin around the crop area. Also, she got worked up screaming a bunch, but this was her first day in the store and I'm sure she is terrified.

I realized something when looking at her and when talking about the moluccan the gal wanted to rehome - Aurora is the only cockatoo needing to be rehomed that I have been interested in for myself in all of this time, and they've had a lot of birds come through there for rehoming. Here was this other umbrella, probably just as sweet as Aurora, although she may not need a new home. Nevertheless, even if she does, I had no interest in finding out about her. Aurora is the only one I've ever tried to find out about, and I have been drawn to her since the first day she arrived in the store. That has to mean something, right?

My vet's first response was that I am crazy, . She explained what all of the needed tests will entail before I could even think of taking her around my other birds. It will cost a lot, but if I don't have the money for veterinary tests for her now, there is no reason to believe I will have the financial ability to meet her needs for the rest of my life.

The vet said the biggest toll on me will be the emotional toll of taking care of a feather destroyer. She said I won't be able to stop blaming myself. I told her I thought I wouldn't since she is already chewing and breaking her feathers off now, and was before I met her, but she said it will eventually get to that point after she's been with me a while. She said it is very rare for a feather condition to resolve completely.

She said the bird will be significantly more difficult and demanding than any of my current birds. But in the end, she said if I really want her, if anyone can handle her, I can. That made me feel good.

Soooooooooooooooooo - well - I DO really want her.

The next steps then are getting all of her vetting done and also testing myself for allergies to her, but, like I said, there are tons of cockatoos in there now and I'm not reacting at all.

I already went ahead and had them order a cage. If she doesn't come home with me, Ashlynn could use the cage.


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Great thinking so from the looks of things you don't have an allergy so far and getting the cage was a good idea. If the cockatoo doesn't get it at least another bird will hehe
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