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well Im starting saving up for my future congo african greys cage and I know they can get all sorts of plucking problems and what not so I think Ive decided on a cage from paradise perch its a double macaw cage its 900 but i dont plan to get the bird till the year after next so thats really just 75 a month for a year, anyways its a dome top, 1 inch bar spacing and the dimensions are 64" X 32" X 73" his cage will go in the living room instead of the bird room since theres more activity, and then I plan to get a bunch of toys and then Ill start saving for my grey I fould a good aviary in douglas so ill probably make the trip out there instead of having him shipped.


Anyways do you think this is a good size for the cage? i want him to feel like even when hes in his cage theres still lots to do.

Hope Russ takes it well Id like both of them to be out at the same time and Russ will be the one who goes to work with me

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Honestly, I think that is too large for a grey. You may never hear that from anyone else, but it is my feeling. It is especially too large for a baby grey, so if you plan to bring home a baby, please consider a smaller cage at least at first. Baby greys are very clumsy and they can develop phobias. Putting them in a cage that is that large will often exacerbate the problem.

I would like to recommend that you read the book For the Love of Greys, by Bobbi Brinker. I posted more about this book on the thread that was recently started about Tango the grey and his developing "manners". I love that book, and Ashlynn's life would have been very much worse had I not read it before I put a deposit on her when she was still in down feathers. Honestly, ALL of you who are saving up to buy greys, and there seem to be a bunch of you on this forum, PLEASE read that book as soon as you can. The other books I recommend on that thread are also must reads, in my opinion, but that is my opinion.

The nice thing is, if you do go with a smaller cage, you shouldn't have to save as long or as much for it. Also, you will have more options where the cage can be located throughout the life of your bird, which should be many decades.

If any of you can read anything at all by Dr. Susan Friedman, do it. I explain more about her in that post, too. She should be coming to Indianapolis this year to do a presentation for our bird club. Abby - start planning and saving your money to attend. That would be one of the best things you could do to prepare for your own grey and your macaw, and it will also help you in your relationship with your current flock.

Your grey will entertain itself quite successfully all throughout life in a 24"X36" cage, or you could go with 26"X36", or even a little larger. Actually, Ashlynn is in a smaller cage than this. I plan to get her the 24"X36" size at some point, but she is still a baby, and she is very happy and entertains herself wonderfully in her current 22"X28" cage. (I have a slightly larger cage than that, and she was in it originally, but I had to move Daisy, the maxi, into that larger cage because Ashlynn was going to figure out how to get out through the feeder doors on that bigger cage.) DO get a cage with secure feeder door locks as well as secure access door locks, because these guys are SMART. I believe Ashlynn would be fine in her current cage for life, if that were necessary. She plays all the time.

Birds, especially African birds, can become phobic if their cages are too large for them. Roni, my senegal, started out in a 22"X24" cage. She loved it and played in every square inch of it. I moved her into a bigger cage, and she never adjusted. She would just sit and not play. However, at one point I moved her into a 17"x22" cage, and she LOVED that. Go figure. She is now back in her original cage, where she is again happy. I may put her in the 22"X28" cage if I ever move Ashlynn out of it, just to see if she will utilize all of that space, but if she doesn't play in that cage, she'll be returned to her original cage.

Another thing to think about with African birds is cage placement. They like at least one wall of their cages against a wall or something solid so they don't think they have to protect themselves from that side. Roni is happiest with her cage in a corner, where she only has to think about things approaching her from two sides. They also should not be in a high traffic area. (The cage, I mean.) Do not place the cage right next to a door that opens suddenly. If you MUST put the cage next to a door, train everyone to make noise as they approach the door and give a "signal" that the door will be opening. We just say, "I'm coming in." We do this BEFORE we open the door. This is a little thing, but it keeps both Ashlynn and Roni comfortable.

The other thing I can tell you about African birds is that the species do not flock with other species, so they do not take as easily to other species of birds as do most South American birds. This doesn't mean they don't enjoy having other birds in the house. Both Roni and Ashlynn enjoy my other birds. It does mean they are more prone to killing other birds, though, so supervise, supervise, and supervise out of cage time. I'm not saying no African birds develop close and interactive relationships with other birds, because many do. I am saying be prepared that you MAY need to keep your birds physically out of one another's spaces for their entire multi-decade lives. I would never want a single bird though. I think they need another bird, even in a separate cage, for companionship. That is just me.

The other thing I wish I had saved up for before getting Ashlynn was a great room air purifier. I will get one this June, but I should have made sure I had it before she entered my home. This is hind sight with me. Be sure to save the extra you would have thought to save on the cage for a good air purification unit. Your South American birds may have trouble with your grey's dust.

Well, that is more than you asked for, but you got me on one of my days. Happy saving and planning.


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Thank you Nanay I appreciate all the information I can get, I've love greys from the time I got my first bird and they've always been the parrot I wanted to get, I want to make sure I get it when Im fairly young still so that I feel secure that I will out live it as I dont know many bird people lol. I have two books on greys but they just touched on phobias which seem to be more important then I realized with greys.

I have heard you mention this before which is why I was thinking that might be the case with the bigger cage, well this is perfect I was already planning on getting an air purifier from parrotdise perch so maybe Ill just get two as I dont plan to keep the grey in the bird room. The living room is not near the main door but I do have cats should I have the grey in the room if I locked the cage up with padlocks would it be okay, Do you think the cats would frighten the grey too much? The cats also know not to go near the birds as Russel dive bombs them hahaha.

Well thats great, less room to take up and less money, though I think I will save up a bit more and get a kabillion toys, Then Ill make toy bags for each day of the week, or should I leave the toys there longer, will it frighten him for things to change too often. Do you think a corner cage would be best to make the grey feel secure?

Also do you like females or males better,?I was thinking Id get a female, is there much of a difference? I heard that the males are much more likely to become phobic, its very interesting to learn how different that are, then say Sun Conures theres so much complexity there Im definitely going to get the book you mentioned I cant wait to start reading it.

Do you find its hard to balance having so many parrots, I mean I really only have one actual parrot, Russel and I devote most of my day to him when Im not working, He even comes to the kennel I with me. And we go out on the aviator and all, This is my only concern I dont want Russ to feel like his attentions being stolen away, the budgies and tiels could care less they just want there own company for the most part. My linnie loves attention but not like Russel does.

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Yes, I find it VERY difficult to balance having so many parrots. I often feel very guilty, and most of the time for several months now I have felt that I messed up and acquired just one too many birds, specifically, the grey herself. I cannot tell you the number of times the thought has pressed on my mind that I should never have gotten Ashlynn.

I am not alone in my parrot endeavors. My ten year old daughter is actually the owner of Stanley, the bourkes (who is a hen, by the way ), Doug, the parrotlet, and Daisy, the Maximillian pionus. My son is actually the owner of Elisa, the linnie. My daughter does all of her cage cleaning and most of the socialization for her birds, although I usually do give the spray baths for everyone and I cut up the fresh foods, grow the sprouts, and feed all of the fresh stuff to all of the birds. My daughter clicker trains her own birds when the mood strikes her. The bourkes and the linnie live in the same cage and are totally bonded. They will also sit with us and on us, participate in clicker training, and the bourkes still enjoys being petted, although the linnie never did and probably never will. Those two birds are fairly independent. They are content no matter how little or much time we spend with them, because they have one another but still like us as much as they ever did. They are perfect for one another and perfect for us. The parrotlet loves petting and playing, but in short spurts. The maximillian is a retired breeder, so she is amazingly undemanding yet totally accepting of any amount of attention you wish to give her, no matter how short or how long. No matter how much attention I give all of these birds, I never feel guilty because they are my kids' birds, anyway, and they give them most of their attention. I just get to play with any of them whenever I feel like I want to. Additionally, all four of those birds play well together and can share out of cage time.

The three birds that are mine are, in my opinion, much more demanding. Each of them is more demanding than any of the kids' four birds, and in many ways more demanding than all four of their birds put together.

You have a sun conure now and you had a black cap previously, so you know how special they are, and how much attention they eat up and thrive on. My green cheek, Shira, does at least have this to her advantage, she is also able to play well with all of the four birds that belong to my children. I can have her out while those birds are out. That is highly appreciated.

Roni, my senegal, was the first bird of this group who belonged to me. I find that a senegal is as entertaining as a grey, as lovable as a grey, and as accepting of attention as a grey. I don't mean this to sound crass, but I don't feel that Ashlynn added anything to my life that Roni had not already given me. Nevertheless, Ashlynn is bigger, louder, dustier, messier. She is just big enough that I do not feel comfortable letting her on my shoulder, which is ok because not all birds need to be shoulder birds, but she is also big enough that it hurts when she grips me tightly and flaps her wings, which she does often and the vet instructed me to encourage for her health. She eats twice as much as Ashlynn and destroys toys at least six times faster than Roni, and her toys cost more than Roni's cost. She never screams, but her normal honks and beeps, while not irritating, are just louder than those of all the other birds, and she vocalizes a lot more often. She has the dusty type feathers, and Roni has the other type feathers, and on top of the feather dust, Ashlynn constantly blows her down feathers, leaving white fluff balls the size of a quarter everywhere. She makes a big mess eating, and she flings her destroyed toys all over the place, and she can and will destroy expensive items in a flash if she can get to them. She won't stay on a play stand the way Roni and Shira will. She jumps off and tries to fly every few minutes. On the plus side, I do think she may be trying to learn to talk, and if she does, that will be delightful, but before I got all these other birds Roni was talking quite well for a senegal, and now she hardly talks at all.

Roni and Shira were absolutely the perfect birds for me, and I couldn't content myself with them, and that knowledge bothers me a lot and often. Most days now I feel that none of the birds gets what she deserves. If I were young and inexperienced, maybe I could excuse this, but to be old and make a mistake like this is doubly bad.

All that having been said, I still love Ashlynn deeply and I do not want her to go to anyone who wouldn't give her more than I can now. I have taken behavioral classes from my avian vet, and I am really sold on the things we were taught there, so I would not want Ashlynn to go to anyone who hadn't taken those classes and fully bought into their ideas. I don't have a problem with anyone else purchasing any grey baby or adopting any other grey, old or young, and interacting with it as they see fit, but for Ashlynn, for the bird that I took the responsibility for, I would not want any other type of handling. She really likes having the other birds to watch all day and communicate with all day, so I would not want her in a single bird home, yet most people with other birds already have as many or more birds as I have, and especially those people who took the classes I took. Additionally, even though I think I took on more responsibility than I had to give when I got her, I know I would miss her terribly. On top of all of that, Ashlynn and Roni, perhaps because they are the only African birds in this house, have developed a very strong bond, even though I have never let them actually touch one another at any time other than when showering together in the tub.

So, yes, I think at least once every day I feel I am not balancing having so many parrots in the same household. I take comfort in the fact that all day, every day, they have one another to chatter to and play beside. I would never want to have just one bird in my home, but I think seven is way more than I needed to give them a sense of having a flock. I think I could have handled a lot of little birds, but I think three medium to large birds are difficult to provide well for. I'm just trying to do the best I can and take comfort in the fact that they do really enjoy one another's company when caged.

I definitely prefer females to males when it comes to greys. This is based on what the folks at the bird store told me and my own personal observations. If you have the option when making your selection, look at as many females as you can until one tugs at your heart in a special way. I think there is always room for two parrots in a home, lol, so I think you will be fine.


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I think nanay covered everything there, I was going to jump in and say that greys and other African species are often phobic of large cages but nanay made it more ... better? hehe.

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thanks for all the info and yeah when I get the grey it will definitly be my last parrot, the good thing is Russ gets along great with all the birds except Delilah. But its been going good the last few days, everytime I go in the bird room I take delilah out and I take russel out onto her cage and Igive both of them head scrithes for a few minutes then I either put russ back or take him with me. This way he gets positive association with delilah I also only give him treats in the bird room with delilah around. His people skills are getting better as well I just tell people not to pet him and hes much better hasnt nipped since I think he just doesnt like the pet store.

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Okay so I think I found a new cage to buy its this

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/produ...-4836555dt.jpg

its 34 X 24 X 40 is this a good cage?

Or this one?

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/produ...424831t400.jpg

40 X 32 X 80

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Could you please post a link to that entire site. I would like to read more about those cages. I really like that metal part above the play stand on the second one. It would be nice to be able to attach toys there. I would like to read more about the cages. Thanks


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I liked that as well its just the Petsmart website hmm let me see if I can link from my phone

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I looked up Petsmart and was able to read everything about the cage. Thank you
Both cages look nice for a grey, so what do you like best?


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well I think I like the one where you can attach the toys to, but the dome top is nice because the cats wouldnt be able to get up there, I guess either way Ill hafta train them to stay away, Im hopefully getting my air purifier in august

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Nanay and Daisy have definitely covered most of your bases Greys can be phobic in too big a cage and do best in a wide, not tall, cage because they can be clumsy and are heavy bodied so can damage their keel bone easily in a fall.

Of the last two cages you linked, I like the play top cage. It's good and wide without being too tall. It has the play top which u can use or not use, up to you. With that tray in there, the cats may get on top but they won't be able to get to the bird thru the top of the cage and having that roof on top can help the grey feel secure if he's a little phobic because, against a wall, he will have a back and a top to make him feel he's secure and no "predators" can bother him



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oh thats a good point Jenny its a good price for the size as well is there a better cage you would suggest

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I actually got a 40"x40" cage at PetCo recently for I think $300? It's chocolate brown with a playtop on it, it's a really nice cage. It has 3 feeder doors and the front door has a smaller door inset that you can open as a platform. I really like it, it was super easy to build compared to other cages I've built (I've built many a cage at the petshop, A&E, Hagen, etc). It's bigger than what you're looking at. It's friggen huge to be honest, but Goober uses every inch and for the price, I couldn't beat it



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but I thought that you said that they can be phobic of large cages would that be too big? We dont have a petco here

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They can be. Each bird is different. The biggest thing is the height of the cage. Greys don't do well in a tall, thin cage. They do best in a wide cage. The one you're looking at now is 40" wide, which is the same width as the one I have, the biggest difference is the one I have is a 40" square as opposed to being 40" wide but 32" deep. Ask the breeder how the bird is. If they're young and used to it, odds are they will do ok. I got mine in the store, I think they sell them online. They may have a smaller version too, I'm not sure



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