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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 03-06-2010, 12:28 AM Thread Starter
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mini macaw, conure, IRN..?

Hey there

I own 3 budgies and a cockatiel.
They all live in a room that is about 14 square meters (15 yards ?)
and have several places or playgrounds so no one is
bullied.

I spend about 8-10 hours a day in the bird room (my studio).

Lately I have been thinking about adding to my flock.
My birds are always free to leave their cage, the budgies
stay together and the cockatiel is always on my shoulder.

So what Iīm asking (in your opinion) is this, would it be wise
to add a bigger bird to the flock, will there be some kind of
jealousy between my tiel and the new bird, giving that they
would both want my attention and stay on my shoulder, will they fight ?

If I were to get another medium sized bird, which one, in your
experience or thoughts, would fit best with budgies and a tiel ?

I live in Iceland (there is darkness all winter and sun all summer)
so they all wake up when i turn on the lights.
I have read that some are noisy in the morning and some at sunset.

Which oneīs have the most tolerable noise level, my budgies make constant noise all day but my tiel never sayīs a word.


If you can answer all or just one of the questions it would be greatly
appreciated

thank you.
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I think a conure might be a good choice for you
Jendays & Suns are very loud, but Green Cheeks and the smaller conures are not that loud. I know IRN's can have a screech, but I'm not sure how bad that is. And Mini macaws.. I'm not sure about them!

Green Cheek conures are cute, smart, smallish, and aren't very loud generally. Good luck, I think a new bird would be happy with you & your flock!


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I do not have an IRN, a conure, or a mini macaw, so perhaps I should not be putting my 2 cents in at all, but I have been told a few things that might help.

First, I have been told that many australian birds are very gentle. Not all australian birds are gentle, but the ones you have are known to generally be among the gentle australian species. They probably won't be aggressive to a newcomer, but they might need protection from one.

South American birds are known to flock together in mixed flocks in the wild. This is one reason why they squack so loudly, because they have to be heard and distinguished by others of their species among many species, but it is also why many South American birds do ok in mixed species homes. That doesn't mean all birds from South America like all birds, or even all birds who originate from South America. It is just a general thing. This MAY mean that a conure or mini macaw would enjoy your birds, but any one particular conure or mini macaw might not.

Years ago I had both a dusky conure and a cockatiel. They got along well. The dusky was a sweet bird who never once tried to bite me or anyone else. Dusky conures used to be common in my area, but now they are very hard to locate. I do not know if they are available at all in Iceland, and not all will have the personality mine had, but one could never ask for a better bird. I believe she could have killed the cockatiel if she had desired, though. I think her beak was probably strong enough. She just never tried to be aggressive. She also made vocalizations that were not unpleasant. She never attempted to talk.

I think many pyhurrah conures (Green cheek, maroon belly, black cap, crimson belly, painted, rosifron, etc.) will also get along with your cockatiel, but everything depends on the individuals.

All of the mini macaws other than the Hahns and the Noble are significantly larger than a cockatiel. I have a friend who has a cockatiel, a budgie, and an Illigers macaw. You just have to be very careful when they are out of their cages at the same time, but that could very well be the case even with two birds of the same size. She tells me that her Illigers is very gentle with any smaller birds, and trustworthy with both the cockatiel and the budgie. Everyone I know who has macaws tells me they are gentle. I do not know. I am intimidated by them, myself.

I have a senegal and three small birds, a bourkes parakeet, a splendid parakeet, and a lineolated parakeet. I never allow the senegal to actually make physical contact with the three small birds. It is not difficult to manage this, but you have to be diligent, and you might not be able to just allow all of your current birds free range in your bird room most of the time as it seems you do now. That doesn't mean it isn't doable, but it might change their lives some if they have to be confined part of the day while you have your newer bird out. I actually would NOT recommend any of the African birds to be out with your birds, but you have not mentioned them, so perhaps you already know this.

Are pionus available in Iceland? I only ask because the bird store I frequent has the most gentle larger bird I think I've ever seen, and it is a Maximillian's pionus. I understand not all pionus are gentle around other birds, and I believe we have a member on this very site who had a white capped that bullied her other birds so badly that they could not be trusted together.

I don't know anything about IRNs, but many people on this site do.

I think that you will not know for certain if you will be able to trust any larger birds with your current birds until you try it, and you could even find that what is safe at the beginning becomes unsafe when the birds mature.

Nevertheless, even if you find that a new bird can not be trusted to be free with these birds, you can still provide a great environment for all of your birds. It might, however, mean confining the birds more than you do now.

I don't know if they are available in your area or not, but would it be possible to find another larger but gentle Australian bird? They might not be at all what you are looking for, but we had some threads going in here a while back about Princess of Wales and Regent parakeets. Again, I don't have one, have never even seen one in person, but the folks who have experience with them seemed to really understand them and were positive about them.

Oh, and one other suggestion, which might sound odd, but I recently added a slightly older bird to my flock, a linneolated parakeet. At first I was afraid to add a bird that was past the baby stage, but I found her to be the easiest bird to introduce to my flock of all of them. She was old enough when I got her that she had been through her rough developmental stages and I could tell what I was getting. Maybe if you could find a conure, IRN, mini macaw, or even a different older bird that has proven itself to be gentle around small birds that would give an even better chance that it would remain gentle. Just a thought.

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Thank you Beth and Nanay

After posting this and reading your response and some hours of contemplation I think that the best bird for my flock would be a IRN. Not that itīs a fnal decision but more that the IRNīs are not as needie(y) as the other birds.
They would like being on your shoulder but it wouldnīt be a competition.

Correct me if you think iīm wrong, I would love to hear it

For Nanay:
Itīs pretty remarkable how many species of parrots you can get in Iceland.... itīs not the U.S.A or Europe, itīs a island on the arctic circle with 300.000 thousand people but luckely we have a lot of dedicated people in most areaīs that cover these things . Illigers macaw are not available but I can get Hahnīs and the big oneīs aswell. They are the only oneīs of the macaws I think. But I can get most of the other oneīs, conures, IRNīs, Poiīs, african greyīs, amazons, ecelectus, linnies........................................... .......

This is just such a simple/complex question and it is also such a huge responsabilitie.

Going from one budgie to three is a question of much more chirp, sometimes to much chirp adding a cockatiel to the flock introduced the cuddlieness.
Adding another midsized bird with differnet needs may be too much or could be the most brilliant thing ever.

I would just love to hear everyoneīs opinion ?

thanks so much you guys nī gals.

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Indian Ringnecks actually are pretty needy. They're not a bird you can just put on a play-stand and leave them be. They're not "full on" and don't crave your attention 24/7 BUT they need to be handled daily, otherwise they will go skittish on you. They're not the affectionate bird either, unlike Cockatiels who'll cuddly you until they're 100% happy.

I have 8 Indian Ringnecks and 7 of the 8 are babies I'm currently trying to hand-raise. The other one is Keiba, I got him when he was 8 weeks old I think it was, he was really bonded to me, he'd be with me all the time and I thought it was great.. now that he's 4ish months old, he's changed, he's not the same as when I first got him; he wants to be on his own and isn't bonded to me like he used to be, although I do try and handle him for at least 20 mins a few times a day, he really dislikes it. There's times where he'll just sit on my arm and happily preen himself or sleep.. but it's rarely that it happens these days. (this is why they need a lot of handling).

Keiba has his out time with my Green Cheek Conure (Leila) they squabbled at first, but they're fine while they're out together now. I can have Keiba out with the 7 baby Indian Ringnecks also without any problems, but this is probably due to them being the same sort of bird. I don't trust Keiba with my Cockatiels, Budgies or Quaker (my Quaker would probably kill him anyway).

As for loudness.. this is true that they're loud - they can and will screech and it's not a quiet screech either. But if noise isn't going to cause any problems then it'll be alright.
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hi! Conures are lap birds. Think puppy or kitten and also a demanding 3 year old. Thats our green cheek conures, we have 3. We also have a black cap conure, and he is slightly louder. All your choices a loud birds. Hahn's areloud. Irn's I don't have brceause they are screamers and super needy( need alot of one on one). If your tiel is cuddly that will change if you get another need you bird. I suggest another tiel? That way the same type can spend tome togwrher. I would like to hear what you decide!
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My maroon bellied conure LOVES my budgie. But I think adding any bigger bird to your flock could be a bit of a risk. The size difference between tiels and conures isn't that much, and budgies aren't even that much smaller.

IRN's may be a little less needy, but I don't think that should really affect your final decision. IRN's can go skittish very easily, as Solace said, so really they need as much attention as any other bird.

If you are looking for a companion bird, I would highly reccommend a conure. Getting my maroon belly was the best bird I ever bought.

Green cheeks may be a little more available to you, and their noise level in my opinion is way quieter than an IRN.

I believe that whatever bird you add to the flock, there will be a little competition between the tiel and the new bird.

I didn't have that problem, because the budgie was quite happy to let Ziggy keep her position, he doesn't really want to bond with me.

I think mini macaws are really lovely, but if you are looking for a bird that will not want competion with the tiel- Mini macaws are really not in the question! Macaws are very protective, and they'll bond with you and wont want another birdy taking their shoulder.

In saying that, I find my conure very protective of me, and will sometimes just push my budgie away if he's sitting too close to me!

IRN's may be the best choice if you want a nice bird that will talk (most of them are great talkers), maybe do tricks, sit with you, but doesn't completely bond and get over protective. Whereas the absolute cuddly birds, the conures and mini macaws will bond and possibly dislike your tiel.

Have you considered barrabands/ superb parakeets- they are very sweet and known to be quiet and gentle, not as closely bonding as say a conure but from what I hear a little tamer than an IRN. I am not sure how available they are to you, but maybe look into them. Here are a few links, but if you browse the net you will find heaps of useful info. http://www.p-pp.tv/articles/barraband_parakeet/
http://birdsinbackyards.net/species/...lis-swainsonii

Sorry, it's quite a long post, but I like giving my opinion in depth!

I hope you can decide and it all goes well!

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hi! Conures are lap birds. Think puppy or kitten and also a demanding 3 year old. Thats our green cheek conures, we have 3. We also have a black cap conure, and he is slightly louder. All your choices a loud birds. Hahn's areloud. Irn's I don't have brceause they are screamers and super needy( need alot of one on one). If your tiel is cuddly that will change if you get another need you bird. I suggest another tiel? That way the same type can spend tome togwrher. I would like to hear what you decide!
I don't know why everyone says this, and it ticks me off sometimes. I don't know if I've taken it the wrong way, or it's not what you meant but I'm going by why you've said above.

If you have a Cockatiel and you have a good bond with your Cockatiel, it WILL stay that way, if you got another 'needy' bird or not. I have 12 Cockatiels, my first Cockatiel I formed a strong bond with, and now I have 11 more, and that has NOT changed our bond, if anything, it's gotten stronger and she knows I'd never leave her be the odd one out. All my birds get an equal amount of one-on-one time with me, so long as that continues, nothing will ruin our bond. (even if I were to get another 20+ Cockatiels).
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As far as what Solace said, I have to agree. Moose left my house as a baby to be with his owner snuggly and well bonded to me. They cuddled and cared about him for...3 years? Well, now Moose is 10 and was neglected for 5-7 years, but within 2 days of being home with me was on my shoulder, singing and demanding scratches, all things he never did at their home. Once a snuggly, tame tiel, always a snuggly tiel They may just develop a little more attitude along the way!

I think a small conure may fit in best as well - IRN or Poi parrot will fit in rather well for being on the independent side but are also very needy. I would also be afraid of their beak strength if they get a hold of another bird. The conure can take off toes, but the IRN could take off legs, wings, heads... anything it wanted



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Thanks everyone for your advice/thoughts.

A friend of mine is moving to Spain and had to get find a new
home for his Lionhead rabbit. I actually own a icelandic rabbit
and this is problable the most logical step in the well being of
my animals, now my cockatiel can sit calmly on my shoulder and
my bunnies can fall in love while my budgies loudly chirp,
what a utopia.

I think I would get a sun conure if i would get another bird.

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P.s. Jenny I have a budgie named Loki (after the norse god) heīs
practically the same color as your Loki.
I really like Linnies but unfortunaetly I canīt get them here

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Congratulations on your new rabbit. I have never heard of a lionhead rabbit. Is it possible you might be able to post a picture some day?
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They're quite popular here...absolutely gorgeous! I'm not looking at pics because I'll want one!!

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A rabbit, Sharon? Well, it won't scream. I can't see any drawbacks.
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P.s. Jenny I have a budgie named Loki (after the norse god) heīs
practically the same color as your Loki.
I really like Linnies but unfortunaetly I canīt get them here
That's where Loki got his name too He's such a trouble maker! I was going to name him something nice, and peaceful because of his color, but after one day at the house it changed to Loki!



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Solace and Jenny, and all who might be offended, I am sorry to have offended. What I meant was another type besides what you might have. My thinking is same types will go with the flow, another type changes every thing. Just my thoughts, which are flawed I'm sure. It is good to hear feed back from you all. I have not had birds for years so still learning!
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Solace and Jenny, and all who might be offended, I am sorry to have offended. What I meant was another type besides what you might have. My thinking is same types will go with the flow, another type changes every thing. Just my thoughts, which are flawed I'm sure. It is good to hear feed back from you all. I have not had birds for years so still learning!
No worries - no one is offended! Your thoughts are not flawed at all. Flock mechanics within captivity are VERY tricky things! Mine all work together as a relatively peaceful flock, though everyone is housed separate, and PeggyB on the linnie forum has a huge flock of MANY species (budgies, tiels, linnies, finches, canaries, conures) who all fly free in her home and all get along! Her linnies are even nesting communally, which I've never heard of before!

What works for some does not work for all. My tiels have all been very steady in their behavior, and very mellow. However I've worked with some tiels who are just flat out nasty and want nothing to do with people!!

Sometimes adding another bird will put the whole house into chaos for quite a while. Thankfully, all mine have been reasonably accepting of new additions. It will be interesting to see how Goober copes with any new additions - she'll be my problem child, I'm sure!




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Solace and Jenny, and all who might be offended, I am sorry to have offended. What I meant was another type besides what you might have. My thinking is same types will go with the flow, another type changes every thing. Just my thoughts, which are flawed I'm sure. It is good to hear feed back from you all. I have not had birds for years so still learning!
don't worry. everyone has different opinions. its really nice to hear what everyone has to say about things like this, and an opinion can never be wrong, can it? What you said does make sense in a way though, getting another bird does have the potential to alter your bond with the first bird, but usually most 'tiels still stay bonded to the owner.

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Again, thanks for your advice.

I will post some pics of my new bunny soon, sheīs
the sweetest thing ever.

Cheers,
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