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An awful loss

I have terrible news. A couple of hours ago I found the wonderful Morris on his back in his cage. Completely stiff. He had only recently passed away it seems as I had been playing with him not long before. I can't believe he has gone. It's an awful loss to the family and even friends who knew him. Everybody loved him!

I have contacted my avian vet to see what he can do about a necropsy, I may take him to work with me next week when I go then. If this is psittacosis, I'm having the whole flock treated straight away. He showed no symptoms (even the ones of psittacosis) and was eating and drinking well. Hopefully he can find out what was wrong with my boy and hopefully it isn't anything I should be treating the others for

Morris was only 9 months old. I hand raised him when a terrible breeder almost killed him. I gave him back to his owner when he was weaned but she needed to sell him again a couple of months ago so Jack bought him back for me. I can't believe he has gone. Never have I known a more happy little bird

I feel sick, I feel horrible. It was just such a big shock. All of the birds have been doing great, I just wasn't expecting anything this terrible to happen

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I'm ever so sorry.

RIP Morris, fly high and free.

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it's very possible it was something from his past homes, or even possible of genetic disease. i hope the necropsy gives you some answers


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Thank you both. Casey, I thought the same thing. We haven't had him back long and no others have been sick yet thank goodness. Could all of that rice pudding he was fed when he was give to me of had an effect? I still want the necropsy but trying to think more positive

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im so sorry daisy

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rice is very high in iron in large amounts for birds, it can cause kidney failure. so it is a possibility. i do hope its nothing contagious and everyone will be okay



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Fingers crossed, we've had a lot of bad luck recently yeah when I first got him they were feeding him rice pudding (made with milk) and he STUNK of it. Smelt like sick. Just waiting for my AV to get back to me, he's a star so I can't imagine I won't hear from him ASAP

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My darn phone wasn't working this morning and I missed my call from my avian vet but he wanted to say sorry for my loss and let me know what he wanted to do

He says that he wants him bought in so he can carry out various tests and he would like to inject him with chlamydiophila too. I feel so stupid for my phone not working! The practice would be closed now too

As horrific as it may sound, how should I store him? Fridge or freezer? I've read to put them on ice within 48 hours so I'm assuming the freezer is the way to go? I won't be able to take him in now until Monday, so I'll let you all know how it goes then

EDIT: It's the fridge, not the freezer

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Wrap him and put him away from the food in the fridge.
I am sorry for your loss.
I expect you haven't done anything wrong, it'll be the rice n milk.
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An awful loss

Thanks Kate. Toby has emailed me to tell me the prices etc and he's going in tomorrow for me so I can give him Morris. It's going to cost 100 for the necropsy and psittacosis test but he wants to do more

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I am so sorry Daisy.

I do have an idea of what may have been the problem. How was he being kept before you got him. If he was kept at too cold a temperature that could have caused a bigger problem than many people think. I have seen this on a couple of occassions now. When we had some severe storms years ago a friend lost his power, and it was going to be out for days. He had lots of baby Californian Quail, both chicks and eggs. I still had power and he contacted me and I had the incubator and a brooder here for about 1 week. But the time they where without power to keep them warm ended up causing a big problem. About half the eggs failed to hatch, but that was expected, but also with the young babies more than half of them died as well. Of the ones that survived nearly every one was dead by the time they were about 6 months old. It turned out that the drop in body temperature caused the kidneys to fail, and this can occur at least up to 12 months of age. I also had first hand experience with this with a Princess Parrot. The mother was killed on the Sunday and the breeder couldn't hand raise and had no equipment. He waited until the Monday to ring me. Brought the baby round that afternoon and I found out that the baby had been left in the nest overnight on its own and it was unfeathered. Males will not sit on or feed babies. I had problems with the baby while I was raising it, crop kept stopping, so I had a real fight getting it to survive. He came good and weaned beautifully. He had been weaned about 1 month when all of a sudden he went backwards. Stopped eating and drinking. I had to resort to crop feeding again. The night before he was due to go home he just dropped dead. His kidneys and liver failed. All this was caused by his body temperature dropping and dehydration.

You said he was being fed rice and milk. Milk will not hydrate anybody unless you are a baby cow. Water is needed for hydration. I doubt rice was the cause. My Lorikeet Mix and also my hand raising mix are both based on Rice Cereal as it the top selling brand of Lorikeet Mix sold here in Australia. And they also contain Skim Milk Powder. I have raised countless numbers of babies with no problems including half the cockatoo family that I have outside as well as all my Lorikeets. The iron content is not a problem as rice is not really that high in iron. Even the High Protein Rice Cereal which has added iron is not a problem. (This has been scientifically tested) And the highest selling Lorikeet Mix which uses High Protein Rice Cereal has been on the market for about 30 years, so a problem would have showed up by now.

I think it is the combination of a young babies body temperature dropping combined with dehydration will cause significant problems even months down the track. The body temperature only has to drop a couple of degrees for this to happen. So they need to be kept warm enough in the brooder.

Hope this helps somewhat.

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An awful loss

Before the lady I got him I know he was kept indoors in a breeding cage in his next box. He was an unweaned baby, straight from the box into a cage at 5 weeks terrible breeder. I got him nice and toasty here, but before hand it must of been freezing! I can ask about it when I see my AV tomorrow.

Thanks for the info though, I had never heard of that before

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So sorry Daisy I know how much you loved him... RIP Morris.
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Neither had I Daisy until it happened to me.
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I'm so sorry for your loss.

Usually, a vet prefers to have the body for necropsies within 24 hours of death. If that's not possible, then you should keep him the the fridge until you are able to bring him to the vets.

RIP Morris!

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An awful loss

I would of got him done before hand and I had messaged him as soon as Morris passed away but we kept missing each other. I tried to book an appointment last night but it was too late so I have to try again in a bit. That man must of worked 7 days this week!

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I'll copy and paste today's update that I posted on Facebook

Update

Been to the vets today with Morris for the necropsy. On the way out, I checked my birds as I always do to make sure they're okay. I noticed one of the black cheeked lovebirds, who had been fine an hour before, was fluffed up and floppy. I rang the vets to say I was on my way but I also had an emergency

So far today has been 1 euthanasia, 2 necropsies, 2 tests for psittacosis and 2 cremations (those haven't taken place yet in case the birds are needed for further testig)

I'm waiting for the test results from my AV so I will update again as soon as I know and of course what will be happening next


Today is not a good day, everything has gone completely wrong with the animals recently

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So sorry Daisy, I hope you can get some answers!
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An awful loss

Toby called

Morris had psittacosis. The lovebird didn't. Unusually both birds had lower intestinal bleeding so Toby, bless him, is going in tomorrow on his day off to sort this for me. I'm also getting my antibiotics and treatment for tomorrow

I am so unbelievably scared and heart broken. Honestly, SCREEN YOUR BIRDS! I feel so stupid for it. Psittacosis can be on my clothes and everything! No matter where you quarantine the birds you can still drag it around

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