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Zupreem Lori Diet

Hi, I am a new baby Rainbow Lorikeet owner and I was wondering if I can I give my bird the zupreem lori diet pellets? This is the only lori food available where I live. The other food option I have is Blessing's Gourmet Lory Nectar which i can buy online. This is the only nectar i can afford(shipping cost are too high) and one of the few that I can find online that ships to where I live. Any advise on these foods? Also my baby lorikeet isn't weaned yet so can I offer both the pellets AND the nectar as his main diet?
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Hi and welcome, sorry I cannot answer your question, but we do have a few very knowledgeable lory people on here that I am sure can help you out! Congrats on you new baby!
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From everything I've read about lories and lorikeets, the vast majority of their diet should be nectar and fresh fruit. Pellets should be fed sparingly if at all.

Here's some more info for you:

http://www.lorikeets.com/feeding.htm

http://www.vcahospitals.com/main/pet...ts-feeding/886
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Firstly, welcome to Talk Parrots jaga555.

I believe the advice that aether-drifter has given you is spot on, and I would follow it to the letter.

I'm not an expert on lori's but I did have a rescue for quite some time many years ago now, and on the advice from Currumbin Sanctuary, who hand feed thousands of lori's each day, I fed mine a commercial breakfast cereal called weet bix, made into a slurry using water and honey.

As I said, that was many years ago, and I'm sure that the thinking has changed since then.

I have wild lori's visit my yard daily at certain times of the year and I feed them occasionally and use a wet lori mix purchased from my pet shop.

Again, take note of the links in aether-drifter's post, and you won't go wrong.

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Personally I would not feed any bird pellets, but particularly lorikeets. It worries me that the pellets would damage the little hairs on the tip of the lorikeets tongue which they use to lap up the nectar and water in the wild. I also have no idea as to the quality of the nectar mix you are talking about as I don't believe it is available in Australia.

I make my own Lorikeet food which can be fed either wet or dry. Sorry I cannot give you the formula as it is a secret formula. There are a couple of companies over here who would love to copy it for commercial sale. Protein level with lorikeet food is very important as they cannot handle more than 20% protein, and too much iron can be very damaging to the birds liver. Here the closest one to my formula is Shep's Lory Wet. Even though it says it is the wet formula (you add water to it) and they make a dry as well I would only use the Wet and feed it either wet or dry. The dry they make is only meant as a supplement if you cannot give them wet one day and they won't go hungry. There is only about 6 ingredients in the dry compared to nearly 20 in the wet, so the dry is not a complete formula, and many people over here prefer to feed their lorikeets with a dry mix, often only feeding wet when the birds have young.

I developed my own formula as I was not happy with what was on the market over here previously and have spent 15 years perfecting it.

John you are right we have come along way with perfecting lorikeets diets over here since that information was given by Currumbin. One thing is that honey is not particularly good for them. Yes honey is made from pollen but it has to go through the gut of the bee to become honey and lorikeets would never eat it in the wild and it can cause the droppings to be runnier (if that is possible) than normal. Raw sugar is a better alternative to honey.
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I agree with the others. Pellets for lories were made with nothing more than the intention for them to be more convenient for owners so their birds wouldn't be so messy. It's quite terrible really!


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Thanks for the advise everyone. I ask about this food because this is the only food available in the country I live in. I can buy the dry nectar mix online and the most affordable i can find is the Blessings Lory Powder Dry and Lory Life Powder. Any recommendations on these foods? Which one is better?
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From everything I've read about lories and lorikeets, the vast majority of their diet should be nectar and fresh fruit. Pellets should be fed sparingly if at all.

Here's some more info for you:

http://www.lorikeets.com/feeding.htm

http://www.vcahospitals.com/main/pet...ts-feeding/886
In the second link you posted it says that kaytee pellets are also an option. I also saw that product where i live but the pellets are bigger than zupreem's.
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This may help our lory people help you chose the best for your baby!

Blessings lory powder....

Product Description
LORY POWDER- Gourmet Blend Was created to be a nutritional powder with bee pollen, dried flowers,fruits, and 16 other ingredients. Feed dry with water bowl close, as lories are dippers! Blessing Super Foods nutrients are from Natural ingredients ground up and mixed, not just sugar,soy flour, artificial favoring, and added supplements. They have been breeding parrots for 30 years and have always felt that nutrition was the number one factor in successful breeding of any living animal. They believe that humans get their nutrients from natural food sources, so should the animal we own. Eating junk food and buying vitamin tablets is not the same.This lory food is a complete balanced diet. It was formulated in the US and fine tuned by some of the biggest Aussie & US breeders. They do their own milling and packaging to control the quality in all of their products. They only use human grade ingredients in a very clean mixing environment. 4 Grain Flours,Fructose,Sucrose, Glucose,Eucalyptus, Bee Pollen, Soy Protein Isolate, Whey Powder, Organic Kelp Powder, Calcium, Fruits Ground up into Powder,Vegetables Ground up into Powder,Spearmint, Coconut, Blueberries, Flower Petals, Alfalfa Leaves, Yeast, Milk Thistle,Bentonite Clay,Degermed corn meal; dibasic calcium phosphate; calcium carbonate; salt (sodium chloride); ferrous carbonate; magnesium oxide; niacin; calcium pantothenate; riboflavin; BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene) as a preservative; di-atocopheryl acetate; vitamin A palmitate; thiamine mononitrate; manganous oxide; cupric sulfate; calcium iodate; pyridoxine hydrochloride; cobalt carbonate; folic acid; D-activated animal sterol (source of vitaminD3);cyanocobalamin (a source of vitamin B12). Proprietary blend of necessary vitamins,trace minerals and amino acids. Gourmet Bl

Lory life powder

Lory Life Powder is a powdered dry diet for use in feeding all lories and lorikeets. It has also been used with success as a supplement for Fig parrots. Many softbill breeders use it as a sprinkle on their fruit mixes. It contains natural ingredients and is completely fortified with vitamins and minerals as well as natural coloring pigments, which enhance color intensity in the plumage.

Lory Life Powder should be provided in an open dish and should be kept in front of lories at all times. Because the diet is dry, spoilage does not occur. Acceptance is excellent, with most birds eating the powder upon introduction. We recommend the use of Lory Life Nectar in conjunction with Lory Life Powder along with fresh fruit as a complete diet for these birds.

Ingredients: Dextrose, Soybean Flour, Whole Wheat Flour, Sucrose, Dried Whey, Corn Oil, Corn Gluten Meal, Dicalcium Phosphate, Dehydrated Alfalfa, Calcium Carbonate, Dried Brewers Yeast, Bee Pollen, Artificial Blueberry Flavoring, Methionine, Salt, Spirulina, Beta Carotene, Canthaxanthin, Choline Cloride, Niacin, Vitamin E Acetate, Magnessium Oxide, Potassium Cloride, Maganese Sulfate, Zinc, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin A Acetate, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Calcium Pantothenate, D-Activated Animal Sterol (Source of Vitamin D3), Copper Sulfate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (MSBC Vitamin K), Thiamine, Pyridoxine, Ribroflavin, Folic Acid, Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12), Biotin, Sodium Selenite.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude protein 12%
Crude fat 1.5%
Crude fiber 3%
Ash 5%
Moisture 12%
Iron less that 80 ppm
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Both products have good ingredients in them but also both have some products that I do not and would not use and both have artificial preservatives in them. Personally I don't like soy products in the mix, especially from the US where they use Genetically Modified grain. And both contain Pyridoxine (preservative) which I don't like at all.

My mix is based on 3 to 4 types of baby food cereal which contains no preservatives, artificial colours or artificial flavours and contain dehydrated, powdered fruit in the form of apple, pear and banana and is low in sodium. I am please to see that both those mixes contain yeast, in the wild the highest source of yeast is flower pollen and it contains the whole of the Vitamin B Complex Group. The first one contains Kelp which is really good and the second contains Spirulina which is also great. But both mixes contain fairly large amounts of added vitamins and minerals which I used to add to my mix until I found that it was providing too much vitamins and minerals as the other ingredients in the mix gave sufficient vitamins and minerals without any further additives.

Unfortunately both products contain DiCalcium Phosphate which I am not too keen on, I looked at using it but from memory I found some possible side effects which did not thrill me so I left it out. I only use Calcium Carbonate which is sufficient for lory's. Calcium for Lory's is very important as their feet are so important to them and they need really strong bones. You only have to look at the size of their legs and feet compared to their body size to realize their feet are really strong, in the wild they would be hanging upside down from extremely thing twigs to get at the nectar and pollen from trees and plants.

Both mixes are much of a muchness. They both contain good things and bad things.
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Thanks again for the input, it was very helpful! I guess I will make a decision when I start to wean my lory. He's still 4 weeks old aprox. If you guys have any tips on when to start weaning him and how it would be very much appreciated.
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I would ask those here if any of the home made recipes you can find on line are any good.
That maybe a way around things.

I am fully with the others about pellets and certainly would never consider feeding a Lorikeet pellets. No Way.

Kate has been very good with her advice.
Thank you Kate for what you have said about Honey. I find that very interesting and have logged it in to my brain. Raw Sugar, not Honey.


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Many of those recipes online have been developed by breeders before there were any commercial mixes available. Sheps mixes were an adaption from the original recipe developed by Stan Sindel who is one of Australia's experts on Lorikeets. My mix is based loosely on Sheps except that I use a variety of fruit flavoured rice cereals and not High Protein Cereal. I considered the High Protein to be too high in protein. Plus I use whole egg powder where Sheps only uses the dehydrated yolk. Plus there are a few other slight differences in that I don't use Rice Flour as I consider it to be just a cheap filler. It makes the birds drink more water which in turn makes their droppings runnier.

If you can find Stan Sindel's recipe or one based on that and can get the ingredients where you live that would be a good alternative. Stan is still one of our experts. The recipe is available in his book on Australian Lorikeets.
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kate, would you recommend Sheps as the best?
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Of the mixes on the market I think it is the best available. But saying that I would only use the Wet Mix and not the Dry, regardless of how you want to feed your bird. Sheps Dry is only meant as a supplement that is left in the cage at all times and then if for any reason you cannot give your bird wet mix and fruit he will not go hungry. I would buy the Wet mix and feed it either wet or dry. I usually only feed my birds a dry diet, but I give wet when they have young in the nest. But with the Sheps you could buy the Wet and if you want to feed wet have the powder in the cage at all times and then give them the wet in the morning or evening or if breeding even twice a day, but make sure it is only small quantities as you don't want them to overeat and get obese.

Of course I consider my mix better but it is only available if you live in Australia and are not far from me and can come and get it when you order it. I don't make a lot now as my health has deteriorated and only have a few customers now. I cannot give out my formula as there are some companies who would like to get it and use it and they would register it and prevent even me from making it for myself. I developed my own mix 15 years ago as I didn't like many of the mixes on the market, I had lots of Lorikeets and it was costing me too much money to buy the commercial ones, I wasn't keen on the amount of protein in some mixes and the ingredients in others and I felt there was a need for a mix that you could feed both wet or dry and not buy 2 expensive mixes. The cost is not that bad if you only have one or two birds but I had around 30.
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Thanks Kate, you are certainly very knowledgable and I've really enjoyed reading your posts.
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Thank you Louise I am glad you found my posts useful.

Before I started making my mix I was asked to supply hand raised lorikeets to one of the Universities in Melbourne for a woman doing a thesis on the dietary requirements of lorikeets. I got to see the results of that thesis and found that lorikeets could only cope with 20% protein. Having so many lorikeets I set about developing a mix that would best fit that criteria. It was a very interesting process looking at ingredients and their benefits and drawbacks. Especially since I didn't have the internet at the time and had to do it the old fashioned way of looking things up in encyclopedias and other books in the library.
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