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Cuttlebones - won't touch them

So in all the time I've had Reptar, he's taken to any type of fruits and veggies like a charm. Converted to two different types of pellets, likes seed. Etc etc. He's a healthy little boy and eats anything new I ask him to, it's been great.

But I'm starting to get a little worried about cuttlebones and calcium. He won't touch it, other than one lick that I saw happen once. My tiels have various cuttle bones and mineral blocks scattered in the cage and they all munch on them throughout the day. With Reptar, I've never even seen him try it. I don't think he is getting the necessary calcium and with him being so young, its something I want to correct as quickly as possible if this is indeed a problem.

What else can I do? I know for sure grit and all that is bad for them and not needed for digesting hulled seeds, so that wasn't what I was considering. Thinking about it now, I could probably shave some of the cuttlebone off into the food but I'm curious about what other options I had? Its not something that I've had to look into before, and I'm doing my own mini research on the web but I figured you guys would be a solid place to ask too. Any suggestions for a cuttlebone resistant conure?

And just to keep things silly, here's a picture of him being a dork.
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I have 3 conures and none of them will touch the cuttlebone either, so I give them the calcium powder instead, adding it to their food http://www.scarlettsparrotessentials...ium_powder_80g . I also have an avian light strip for them.


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Okay so its less typical for conures to eat cuttlebone the same way as tiels do, I assume. And thanks! I'll look it that. We used calcium powder for our bearded dragons years ago, of course they'd have something similar for birds as well. I'll add that to my next bird toy splurge, I was planning on one soon. Thank you!



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If the bird eats pellets, you don't need to supplement extra calcium unless it's a laying hen. Be careful with calcium, too much is as bad as too little.
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you could shave a little over the pellet dish, like if you have one of those kitchen graters for garlic or nutmeg that's what I used to do for Muffin, but then she eventually took to chewing it on her own
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I would NOT supplement with extra calcium. If your Conure is eating pellets and fruit, veggies, seed etc then he probably does NOT need extra calcium. Like was previously mentioned too much calcium can be JUST as bad as not enough.
I have noticed that a lot of birds will not touch their cuttle bone unless they actually need it. They know what they need and they will eat it if they need it.



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I only supplement a laying hen, then I shave a little cuttlebone on their wet food, as stated above too much can be as bad as too little.
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Is your conure eating a 100% pelleted diet aside from the 'people food'? Or does he get seed and pellets? If he gets 100% pellets, then it is explicitly stated on the various pellet companies website that no supplements should be provided.

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He eats a mostly pellet with some seed mix, with a veggie plate daily that he devours. I've read that all pellet diets aren't ideal as well, so I try to provide as much variation as possible. I knew pellets take care of most of what he needs, just wasn't sure on the calcium aspect. But it sounds like it really isn't necessary. Thank you guys!



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He eats a mostly pellet with some seed mix, with a veggie plate daily that he devours. I've read that all pellet diets aren't ideal as well, so I try to provide as much variation as possible. I knew pellets take care of most of what he needs, just wasn't sure on the calcium aspect. But it sounds like it really isn't necessary. Thank you guys!
His diet sounds like my plets. I don't give him any supplements other than sunshine factor (red palm oil) but he does have a mineral block. He has never used cuttle. Some birds prefer one over the other. I leave the mineral block in his cage and I think he uses it if he needs to, but mostly just for conditioning his beak. Does he get natural sun light?

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Yeah, daily. And I should be getting a aviator harness in tomorrow to be able to take him outside safely as well. The weathers finally starting to warm up, so that should be fun. I'll try trading the cuttle bone for one of the tiels mineral blocks and see if that sparks an interest in him over time.



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His diet sounds like my plets. I don't give him any supplements other than sunshine factor (red palm oil) but he does have a mineral block. He has never used cuttle. Some birds prefer one over the other. I leave the mineral block in his cage and I think he uses it if he needs to, but mostly just for conditioning his beak. Does he get natural sun light?
Please be careful with the red palm oil. It has a very high content of betacarotene and we are now beginning to find out that although we used to believe that lots of betacarotene were always safe, they are not. A lot of it can damage the liver, too. I don't use it myself at all unless I get a bird that has had a VERY bad diet for a VERY long time. I rely on dark leafy greens (dandelions are excellent and birds like them a lot) and veggies or fruits (sweet potatoes, carrots, tomatoes, strawberries, etc). A bird can perfectly derive all its vit A needs from produce.

I also don't use it because the cultivation of the palms that produce it is destroying the orangutans natural habitat so rapidly that they are in terrible danger of extinction (see this: http://www.orangutan.org.au/palm-oil and this: http://www.ibtimes.com/red-palm-oil-...gutans-1032416)
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Please be careful with the red palm oil. It has a very high content of betacarotene and we are now beginning to find out that although we used to believe that lots of betacarotene were always safe, they are not. A lot of it can damage the liver, too. I don't use it myself at all unless I get a bird that has had a VERY bad diet for a VERY long time. I rely on dark leafy greens (dandelions are excellent and birds like them a lot) and veggies or fruits (sweet potatoes, carrots, tomatoes, strawberries, etc). A bird can perfectly derive all its vit A needs from produce.

I also don't use it because the cultivation of the palms that produce it is destroying the orangutans natural habitat so rapidly that they are in terrible danger of extinction (see this: http://www.orangutan.org.au/palm-oil and this: http://www.ibtimes.com/red-palm-oil-...gutans-1032416)
Thanks for the info. Right now I just put a tablespoon in a batch of bird bread and a tablespoon per pound of dry seed. You think that is too much? I did this for feather support for him because he seems to have hard molts. That sprouts and pellets added into his diet and it does seem to have helped him. He has always had veggies at my house since I got him but I didn't see a difference with that alone. Prior to me his diet wasn't good (for the first 2.5 years of his life).

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His diet seems like it's probably going to be giving him everything that he needs, as the others have said. Keep the cuttlebone in there and when he wants it he will use it! Also, that photo is ADORABLE!

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Mineral blocks are always a favorite. I have several sizes available on my site if you would like to stop by. All my birds large and small have mineral blocks and they come in different flavors and colors which is great.
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Mineral blocks are always a favorite. I have several sizes available on my site if you would like to stop by. All my birds large and small have mineral blocks and they come in different flavors and colors which is great.
Do you offer them if u feed some pellets?

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Thanks for the info. Right now I just put a tablespoon in a batch of bird bread and a tablespoon per pound of dry seed. You think that is too much? I did this for feather support for him because he seems to have hard molts. That sprouts and pellets added into his diet and it does seem to have helped him. He has always had veggies at my house since I got him but I didn't see a difference with that alone. Prior to me his diet wasn't good (for the first 2.5 years of his life).
Personally, if he eats sprouts, pellets and red/orange/yellow veggies, I think he doesn't need any extra betacarotene. I have found that it takes a long time for birds plumage to reflect a better diet. And the longer they have been on a bad diet, the longer it will take. I've had birds that only started looking good 2 years after coming to me. I knew they were healthy because they did not only act healthy (strong flight, good appetite, good range of diet, good poop, etc) and got good blood work results but their rectrices would break and they would end up with a short tail (these were mini-macaws, 15 years old). But, 2 years later, the tail primaries finally did not break when they molted so, although I still had to wait one more year for them to have a complete tail, I knew we were finally over the hump.

If you want to supplement for plumage, add a bit of sesame seeds to his diet.
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Personally, if he eats sprouts, pellets and red/orange/yellow veggies, I think he doesn't need any extra betacarotene. I have found that it takes a long time for birds plumage to reflect a better diet.
Awesome thank you. The thing about him is that other than pellets, sprouts, and seeds, he tends to pick threw things and only eat the things he likes. So with veggies, not sure how much of it he actually eats when I make mashes for him. He won't eat whole or chopped veggies, they have to be in mash form (finely chopped by the processor) or in bird bread. Then and only then will his grace pick threw it, lol. My other two will eat veggies whole or chopped. They tend to like more things than he does too.

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If you want to supplement for plumage, add a bit of sesame seeds to his diet.
Funny you should mention the sesame seeds. I bought some a few months back at the whole foods market and I have been rotating sprinkling those, chia seed, and alfalfa seed on my birds fresh food that they get each day. He mostly seems to like the chia. I haven't noticed whether they seem to eat the other 2 seeds at all.

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I add flax and sesame seeds to their gloop and I also add chia to their birdy bread and cookies so you are doing pretty much what I do. And don't worry about having to make birdy bread for him to eat veggies, they love it and it's a great medium for getting stuff into birds that are picky eaters. I make a sweetish, fruity one most often because the tiels and budgies simply will not eat enough fruits (they eat greens and veggies every day so it's not as if they are not eating any produce) so, once a week, they get them in their birdy bread.
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