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Can any identify seed types?

I was wondering if anyone can help me identify these seed types. I can identify flax and canary seed in it. The mix was labeled lady gouldian finch at the bird farm (first pic). I had never heard of it but it seemed to have a lot more diverse oil seeds than the other small bird mixes.

Based on advice in another thread and some research, I decided to mix some seed mixes. I got this one and a jr. hookbill without sunflower (second pic).
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1st pic, flat brown ones are flax seed, roundish yellow and white are millets, I think the little black ones are rape seed (canola). 2nd pic, the larger white ones are safflower seed, I see oat groats and wheat berries.. are the black ones 3 sided? if so they are buckwheat.
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There are three kind of millet (white, yellow and orange), the rest is as ParrotletsRock said (and yes, those are buckwheat kernels). There might also be some small hemp (hard to tell from a picture because the difference is not in size or color but in shape, hemp been almost perfectly spherical, like millet but with a hull that feels differently when you you scratch it with your nail). The first one looks like a finch and the second like a budgie mix but, usually, the seed mixes bring a list of ingredients on the package telling you what it's in it, didn't these?
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Thanks everyone. I have been able to put the pieces together. The first one is: white millet, yellow millet, Japanese millet, german millet, rape seed, niger seed, canary seed.

Second one is: wheatberry, oat groats, yellow, white, and red millet, buckwheat, safflower, and cracked corn.


What does everyone think of me mixing these seeds for everyone in my flock? I read on a german website shared by flappingmama that linnies should have four to five types of millet seeds in their mix and none of the parrot mixes do, that is why I got this lg finch mix.

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There are three kind of millet (white, yellow and orange), the rest is as ParrotletsRock said (and yes, those are buckwheat kernels). There might also be some small hemp (hard to tell from a picture because the difference is not in size or color but in shape, hemp been almost perfectly spherical, like millet but with a hull that feels differently when you you scratch it with your nail). The first one looks like a finch and the second like a budgie mix but, usually, the seed mixes bring a list of ingredients on the package telling you what it's in it, didn't these?
No there is no ingredients on the mixes at the bird farm, they pack their own mixes with no additves. The first was called lady gouldian finch mix. I got it because I recognized their were oil seeds and a larger variety of small seeds than in the 'parakeet' mix.

The second mix is jr. Hookbill. Also no ingredient list.

They make their own mixes.

About the gym. Yeah it is huge and they love it. I love it too because its light weight and free standing so I can move it around the house easily. But yeah the wrapping is an issue. The purple vetrap started coming off after a week. Without anything it can't be used by them tho. It was a lot of work to make it. It took my husband about four hours to build the frame (first time doing something like this). It took me about ten hours to wrap the hemp parts.

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No there is no ingredients on the mixes at the bird farm, they pack their own mixes with no additves. The first was called lady gouldian finch mix. I got it because I recognized their were oil seeds and a larger variety of small seeds than in the 'parakeet' mix.

The second mix is jr. Hookbill. Also no ingredient list.

They make their own mixes.

About the gym. Yeah it is huge and they love it. I love it too because its light weight and free standing so I can move it around the house easily. But yeah the wrapping is an issue. The purple vetrap started coming off after a week. Without anything it can't be used by them tho. It was a lot of work to make it. It took my husband about four hours to build the frame (first time doing something like this). It took me about ten hours to wrap the hemp parts.
The vet wrap on mine also started to come off, I used cotton string and spiraled it around the perch from one end to the other (think barber pole) and tied at both ends.. Looks good and holds the wrap in place.
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A mix of the two sorts should be fine for Mina and Ollie, but for Cozette it is too rich.
In nature budgies mostly eat grass seeds which contain about 4% of fat and 14% proteins.

Australia: Land of Parrots - Budgies in Nature - YouTube
If you mix the finch seeds with grass seeds it should be fine for Cozette.

If the producers of the mixes don't tell the fat content I would weigh the birds regularly when testing the new mixes.
Whenever a seed mix for small birds is too rich adding grass seeds will help.
And I would taste a spoonful of every new mix to see if they taste fresh and nutty and not rancid or musty.

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A mix of the two sorts should be fine for Mina and Ollie, but for Cozette it is too rich.
In nature budgies mostly eat grass seeds which contain about 4% of fat and 14% proteins.

Australia: Land of Parrots - Budgies in Nature - YouTube

If you mix the finch seeds with grass seeds it should be fine for Cozette.

If the producers of the mixes don't tell the fat content I would weigh the birds regularly when testing the new mixes.
Whenever a seed mix for small birds is too rich adding grass seeds will help.
And I would taste a spoonful of every new mix to see if they taste fresh and nutty and not rancid or musty.
Thank you for the feed back. What is grass seed? You mean canary seed? Too rich because of what exactly? The highest content of seeds between the too is millet seeds, specifically white and yellow. Cozette won't eat the safflower anyway. Niether will Mina.

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There are many other seeds and grains you can add to any seed mix that can be beneficial and help mix things up.

Grass seed I think is as per what grows outside in your garden, when grass turns to seed.
I know I am in New Zealand. I consider all our grasses here as bird safe and use them all the time. Again this adds variety. They just need to from safe areas free of sprays.

As Flappingmama says the main thing with any foods is to make sure they are fresh and not stale.
Seeds are fairly easy as you can break open a few and see what the kernels are like, then try germinating a few.
Soaking is great practice for then serving soak seed and sprouting.


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What is grass seed? You mean canary seed? Too rich because of what exactly?
No, I don't mean canary seed. I mean grass seed like you use for setting up a meadow in your garden.

https://www.ricos-futterkiste.eu/gro...as-bl1627.html

I think finch and cockatiel mixes have too many oil seeds like perilla etc. The fat content of a budgie seed mix should not be more than 5 - 6 %.
Budgies come from a food shortage area, so their instinct tells them to eat as much as possible when food is available. They easily get overweight.
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No, I don't mean canary seed. I mean grass seed like you use for setting up a meadow in your garden.

https://www.ricos-futterkiste.eu/gro...as-bl1627.html

I think finch and cockatiel mixes have too many oil seeds like perilla etc. The fat content of a budgie seed mix should not be more than 5 - 6 %.
Budgies come from a food shortage area, so their instinct tells them to eat as much as possible when food is available. They easily get overweight.
ok i understand what you are saying. i have never seen any seeds like this here. also, i am not sure what perilla is. i googled it and it says it is some sort of mint plant.

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