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ways to introduce pellets

i got the tiels eating pellets. long story short, i know ive said before i wouldnt get them because theyre pricey, and that ive tried them before and my guys didnt like them, but a friend gave me a sample of hers and my guys LOVED them... well the tiels do. the lovies picked at them at first but now wont touch them. these kind are affordable for us, only just affordable.

my problem is still about munch's eating issues. she only eats sunflower seeds. shes so stubborn, ive removed them from her diet and she absolutely refuses to eat. she eats her veggies really well but thats it. she doesnt touch the rest of her food at all.

things ive tried:
sprinkling pellets on her veggies
putting them in her seed treats (not sure if shes eating them, looks like she just eats around them, and wont eat if its only pellets)
mixing them with her seed
keeping a separate dish in the cage for just pellets (she drops seed shells in there instead)
ive taken out seeds in morning and just left pellets. nope doesnt matter, she refuses to eat.
ive put them in foraging toys, she eats a few and then dumps it.
giving ONLY pellets for out of cage time. nope wont touch them.
freezing them in ice cubes with carrots. at the carrots, left the pellets
tried soaking them but she ignores them
ive wrapped kale around them and hid them in the kale. nope spits them out

what other ways can i try? she needs a better diet and shes so freaking stubborn. im wondering if she wasnt weaned properly.

mango picks at them, but thats the extent for him. he does eat them in his treats. the tiels ate them right away and eat them as much as their seed (i keep both in their cages)

im at a loss of what to do.



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I'm sorry. I can't help much because all of my birds were weaned onto pellets. That certainly makes things nice for me.

There are some recipies for breads for birds on this site in which you can use the pellets as part of the baking ingredients. Maybe she would try a birdie bread?

I don't think you would do this, because of the way you have tried so many things, but I would NOT try to force change her unless you had a scale so you could keep very accurate track of her weight. However, as I said, I don't get the impression you are the type of person who would try that, anyway.


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no, i feel bad. ive taken the sunflower seeds out, but by the end of the day, she refused to eat, so i gave them to her as i just want to make sure she eats, but how she eats is NOT healthy for her and im concerned. i wont just take away the seeds and offer the pellets cold turkey. shes too stubborn and i know she will refuse for days if i did so its not good for her.

im at a complete loss of what to do with her, but i will talk to my fiance about making birdie bread... he's funny with stuff like that. but knowing munch, she will eat around the pellets or spit them out LOL



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I switched all six of my birds to pellets at one time.

Here is what the vet had me do:

Every day in the morning I would let the bird eat seed, or its old diet, for thirty minutes. Then I would put pellets in. You should count how many you put in there. It doesn't need to be too much.

When you get home from work or later in the day, count how many are there. If there's sand-like stuff in the dish, they've eaten it. And if there's some missing, make sure it's not because your bird picked the pellet out of the dish and it is somewhere on the floor of the cage.

Then do the same thing at night for thirty minutes with the seed. You are giving them enough not to starve, but just enough to get hungry to try the pellets. I did this with my vet, and keep in mind all my birds were taken in to be weighed three times a week. They were only allowed to lose a certain amount of weight during this.

Be careful with their weight, you might want to check in with a vet yourself.

Other ways to get them to try the pellets: Pretend to eat the pellets yourself, mix it with some other foods, anything you would do with getting your bird to try any other foods.

You are right in not switching cold turkey. NEVER just leave the pellets in there and expect them to give up and start eating them out of hunger. That won't work, you can easily starve your bird.

The key is PATIENCE and PERSISTENCE, you must keep doing this and not give up or else it will never work. It gets frustrating, I know, but you just have to keep trying everything you can.

Pellets is a great choice for birds. I personally see a big difference and I'm happy I switched. Keep us posted, and if I think of anything else that might help you, I'll be sure to post it.

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Abbey, ive actually eaten them in front of munch as a desperate attempt. no go for that either LOL they taste rather funny. kinda sweet and salty and bland all at once. how do my tiels love these things? my birds know when im pretending sadly. so i dont have much choice. thats how i got dally to eat chicken and other veggies. but i dont think the lovies see me much as flock yet.

pretty sure our avian vet charges us to weigh... and we're by no means rich. one of our cats was just recently diagnosed with breast cancer. my aunt and our friend paid the $720 surgery and we are in debt to them. so if we are going to try that method, it will be after our debt to my aunt and friend is caught up. if we have to bring them in to the vet we will, but something like this can wait. i will try other methods for now.

its good advice, but that method wouldnt be smart right now. if something went wrong, thats not good. rather not have more risk of things go wrong at the moment. but if we're still having stubborn munch issues at the time we're paid off, we will be trying that method.



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Well you can buy a kitchen scale and weigh them yourself if you want. I bought one a year ago when I was planning on breeding geckos ( 3 infertile clutches and I gave up) but I got mine at Zellers for under $20. Good luck with Munch I was so glad mine ate the pellets with no problems!( Thanks to your recommendation on the pellet brand)



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yep and munch is refusing to eat those kind now lol she was the first to try the pellets and now wont touch them for nothing lol

i dont want to risk that at the moment



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It cost nothing for us to go in and get our birds weighed.
It's really not as risky as I think you see it as. There's are several different main methods, and that is one of them. It worked for me.




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I say make the bird bread. If you want it, I have a recipe that my birds just love. And you can grind up the pellets in the blender first if you want, and they won't even know they are in there. I just use parakeet size pellets and my birds love the bread.

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i'll see if the vet charges us for weighing. how much weight is too much for a lovebird to lose?



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General rule of thumb is >5% is safe, 5-10% is dangerous, >10% is critical.



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It depends on each bird. My vet gave me specifics on weight ranges to stay in, however, I can't exactly remember what they were. I'm sure your vet would be happy to help with that, and I'd be surprised if weighing your bird cost anything.




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its more that i would have to bring her in for a visit too to even see the vet and i will be charged for the initial visit for sure. i dont have $70 right now. not unless i absolutely have to. as i cant get a vets opinion without seeing the vet first... thats the problem. if one gets sick or injured, of course they'll go to the vets, but this isnt an emergency... just trying to improve her diet.

i tried soaking and mashing the pellets into a paste. she was interested but not so sure what to do. going to keep trying that too. i mashed them up and put a few empty sunflower seed shells to tempt her to try to eat what she thinks are sunflower seeds but instead tastes the pellets... shes so weird. put them in a foraging toy, took one by one out and dropped them through the grate. shes such a brat.

ill have to borrow my fiance's mom's gram scale and see what they all weigh right now first anyways. her keel bone isnt sharp, shes a good weight, though im not sure how LOL



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Sometimes, they like it soaked and warm too. Goober eats food much more readily if it's warm and mushy lol I think it reminds her of baby food



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i did warm it for her.


i borrowed the gram scale and weighed everyone.

tsuka- 107 grams (cockatiel)
dally- 89 grams (cockatiel)
mango- 46 grams (p.f. lovebird)
munch- 53 grams (p.f. lovebird)

so i will need help figuring out what 5-10% of munch's weight is as im terrible at math



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(The percentages were calculated from a website and a calculator, and the desired weights were taken from my book "Good Parrotkeeping by Robin Deutsch.)

Tsuka:
Weighing 107 grams, 5% of that is about 5.35-ish, and 10% is 10.70-ish. Expect to be allowed to get down from 101.65 grams to 96.3 grams.

Dally:
Weighing 89 grams, 5% of that is 4.45, and 10% is 8.9. Expect to be allowed to get down from 84.55 grams to 80.1 grams.

Mango:
Weighing 46 grams, 5% of that is 2.30, and 10% is 4.60. Expect to be allowed to get down from 43.7 grams to 41.4 grams.

Munch:
Weighing 53 grams, 5% of that is 2.65, and 10% is 5.30. Expect to be allowed to get down from 50.35 to 47.7.

Cockatiels weigh between 75 and 125 grams, and Lovebirds weigh up to 50 grams. You might want to record their weights regularly for a while, to make sure that these weights are what is usual for them? I really hope I've helped.
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thank you very much, i will start tonight as i have the scale as long as i need it.

i just took her seeds away as shes had them all day. before she goes to bed i will give them back. half hour after seeds i take them away tomorrow morning, right?



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No problem.
Half an hour of seeds in the morning and at night, and pellets the rest of the time.




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i'll give her seeds back later tonight then thanks for the help, hoping this works... i just worry on what nutrients shes getting with being picky. will let you know how things go



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