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top 3 best pellets?

ok, more questions about larger parrots (aka- any parrot bigger than a budgie)!

so with my flock they have both seed and pellets. the pellets are a filler for things the seeds can't provide, i guess i use the fruit blend ZuPreem, canary size for my guys.

but when you have a "larger" parrot, which needs a full pellet diet (plus mash/chop), what is the best kind. to simplify it- what is the top 3 pellet brands for healthy adult parrots?

i am asking this for my own knowledge for future birds and because i want to foster a parrot. now that i volunteer weekly at the local shelter, i see some small animals that come through. the first two weeks it was a yellow double factor dominant pied budgie, who i wanted to take home! there are some guinea pigs and today…. THERE WAS A QUAKER!!! i was a little excited because i never get to see any other bids other than a budgie. i was a sad because he was on a cockatiel seed diet -__- anyways, my goal is to finally get permission (from my parents) to foster small animals that come through the shelter. i think for any parrots that come through, it would be a good opportunity to work and learn about the different kinds with out actually owning one. this little guy is a mirror lover, not loud (as far as i could tell), and loves to laugh. *If* i was able to foster him, i would attempt to switch him over to some kind of pellet diet (unless quakers can have an all seed diet and i am mistaken ) and try training him a little.

anyways…. in you opinion what are the top 3 best pellet brands? share why if you can, or advice on fostering, etc

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I'm only going to recommend Harrison's or Totally Organics as I feel those are the most natural. In fact, I have even heard some dodgy things about Harrison's!

If you absolutely must feed pellets, that's fine, but you'd have more success getting a bird healthy by feeding them as much variety as possible. Chop they can be fed daily is great, just one that you make in bulk and then defrost that has just about everything thrown into it. Fruits can be fed separately due to their wateriness and high sugar levels. Same goes for nuts regarding being fatty. I believe that Quakers would naturally eat seeds so finding a good, high quality South American mix would be a good start before trying to convert him all together. Don't want to shock the system too much haha. If you too choose Harrison's, get the 'fine' size. I think super fine would be okay but maybe just a tad too small. You could also make chop and buy the Harrison's mash to add a tablespoon of to. That's what I used to do if I felt they weren't getting the boost they needed, though most of my birds have been good eaters so long as I persevere with them

About Quakers themselves. They're cheeky, sassy and very loud. They can be absolute snuggle bugs, don't get me wrong, but they're quite a nippy bird! If your parents have an issue with you having loud birds then it may be best not to bring one home because when they get started they can be ear splitting they're a very clingy bird and usually other bird aggressive too. I wouldn't recommend getting them out with your budgies

On the subject of having them around your budgies I would give that a big no no. Unless you're actually going to adopt a bird, I would definitely not foster in the same home. I made that mistake! You'll find that most rescues, especially ones that aren't bird specific, won't disease test because they haven't got the funds. IMO it's essential that they do, in case we do have other birds at home. Psittacosis is far more common that people seem to think. I always thought 'nah that won't ever happen to me' but noooope. It's actually happened twice. So although you feel you're doing a good thing, if it's at any risk to your budgie flock I wouldn't be doing it

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"but when you have a "larger" parrot, which needs a full pellet diet (plus mash/chop), what is the best kind."
There is No such thing as parrot that needs a 100% pellet diet. This is just human b******t advertising.
No bird should be on more than 25% pellets at the very most. Most birds will do a lot better on a decent diet without fortified man made products.
You will never go past a good varied natural diet for any animal in captivity.
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Harrisons are one of the better ones. But they do come with problems. Like when they go off, they a far more dangerous than other foods due to the molds that grow on them very fast. And they are still dried foods and I still not know any parrot that eats dry foods.


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Pellets have lead people to believe that larger birds don't eat seeds, unfortunately. Seeds are perfectly fine for larger birds. Larger birds tend to eat larger seeds though! My OWA would devour millet but it would have to be a whole spray and not just like budgie seed mix!

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I also can't see why larger parrots need a full pellet diet.
A various natural diet with complete vitamin-, mineral-, and protein supplements ( in consultation with an Avian vet) does the same.

Different species have different nutrition needs, but the composition of pellets is the same for all parrots.

Also I think you take a piece of your parrot's life quality if you feed a full pellet diet.
Every day I see how much my linnies enjoy their meals with different kinds os food.
I don't want to take that from them.
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I feed pellets as the "main" diet, but it is absolutely not all I feed! I would never suggest that.

I use both Harrison's and Roudybush, best pellets out there IMO. Harrison's is organic, Roudybush is natural. I trust them.

In addition, I feed a variety of fresh foods daily. I also offer occasional supplements (I have AviCalm for Digby and plan on getting this one supplement that aids in feather growth as he is a plucker. But I would suggest not using them unless you have a major concern or you have the OK from your avian vet to do so as you don't wanna overdo it.)

I also feed Bountiful Harvest from My Safe Bird Store. It is amazing, full of all sorts of goodies. It smells heavenly, too! Occasionally I offer a seed mix of sorts, maybe millet, but more as a treat. I try to use as much variety as possible. I do want to keep it in their little brains that the pellets are good and should be eaten. I would never mix the pellets with seeds because they are obviously gonna go for the seeds and ignore the pellets. This is why I always offer seed mixes or whatever at separate times AFTER they've eaten their fill of pellets. This has proven successful for me.

Like I said, VARIETY! It is part of being a good bird owner to make sure their diet is as healthy as possible, and it does take a little extra time and effort, but relying on the same exact seed OR pellets to feed them everyday without much or any change is not good.




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let me rephrase that, i didn't mean a FULL pellet diet; but a diet with pellets. i know larger birds can have seeds, i just thought it was more of a snack or small portioned add on. what seed would you recommend. higgins looks like they have some healthy combos. would you get a millet base or a safflower base?

also, is roudybush a decent pellet?

Daisy- do you think they would test him if i asked? i would hate to put my flock in danger (though i will admit that i haven't gotten then tested), but i would also be sad not to have the chance to foster a bird. its going to be a long while before i would be able to get one of my own it obviously you be in the same house as my flock, but never in the same room. i wouldn't want any other bird other than a budgie in my room due to safety. bowie would be the most vulnerable, as would any bird if there was a larger parrot.

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I think it would actually be the pellets that you should limit as opposed to the seed and nut mix. They're known for over-doing it. I would rather give them like you would a supplement, a little a day if you absolutely have to feed them. You can feed them a complete diet through just fresh foods, cooked grains and pulses etc. as well as their seeds and nuts. I would rather go as natural as possible. We don't have Roudybush here in the UK so I can't tell you much about that, but this is what has started to put me off Harrison's...

Ingredients: *Ground Yellow Corn, *Ground Hulless Barley, *Ground Hulled Millet, *Ground Soybeans, *Ground Shelled Peanuts, *Ground Shelled Sunflower Seeds, *Ground Lentils, *Ground Green Peas, *Ground Toasted Oat Groats, *Ground Alfalfa, *Ground Rice, *Chia Seeds, Calcium Carbonate, Montmorillonite Clay, Vitamin E Supplement, Ground Dried Sea Kelp, Sea Salt, *Sunflower Oil, Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, *Algae Meal, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, d-alpha tocopheryl acetate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, d-Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Carbonate, *Vegetable Oil.
*CERTIFIED ORGANIC INGREDIENT

Guaranteed Analysis: Crude protein (min.) 14%, crude fat (min.) 6%, crude fiber (max.) 4.5%, moisture (max.) 10%.

Yup. Not all organic at all so I think it's pretty darn bad to claim that they are 100%!

Here's some more info about Totally Organics. These were definitely my favourite to use! They crumble quite easy which some birds might be a bit funny about BUT Harrison's is as hard as pellets come, IMO

http://totallyorganics.com/ingredients.php

It's entirely up to you what you decide to feed any of your birds, but I'm just going to say my opinion

Regarding disease testing, if you do offer to foster him ask if they will test for psittacosis before hand, at least. It's an inexpensive test and IMO is vital if you've got other birds around. Sadly, it does not matter if they are in separate rooms or not, it can spread through dander. Dander can get everywhere. My Indian ringneck parakeet, Echo, caught psittacosis from my outdoor cockatiels! I had been working in there when we took on Cin (the bird who bought it into the flock who is ironically still alive when nobody else is!) and obviously I never thought that I would be cross contaminating after washing my hands. But nope. She got it anyway. To do quarantine properly you would need an entirely different place with separate air space and you'd have to disease test. Obviously that is an unrealistic expectation for most bird owners as they can't provide that, however, you can disease test. If the rescue aren't willing to at least test him for psittacosis then I would leave it, if I were you. It's entirely up to you, I'm just saying from first hand experience

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well, i shouldn't get my hopes up because the chance of me being able to foster anything is pretty slim. it would still be tempting to foster any parrots that come through. he still could be eating a better diet and getting more attention then he is now

how much does the test cost over there?

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I still like Harrison's and Roudybush best. When I first started feeding Harrison's a long time ago, I noticed big differences in their feathers and everything else. Still, variety is key.




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You can send for a free collection kit from Avian Biotech and then send the sample off yourself with the payment http://www.avianbiotech.com/Pricing.htm You need the nest for Chlamydia. I think it says $24.50. I use their UK centre

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Hmm as far as vet bills go, that's very reasonable. If its the same over here, I might consider "donating" money to have it done. They posted him on their Facebook and he was found outside. Many people in the comments said that they are interested in him, so I not sure how long he's going to be at the shelter! There will always be more though

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I got that price from the US website, are you not in the states? In the UK it's £14 I believe It's considerably more for a vet to do it. If he was found outside, ask them if they've posted him on Parrot Alert. Somebody may be looking for him!

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i am in the states, i was on my iPod and didn't click on the link!

they did find him outside and someone in the comments on Facebook put a link for parrot alert, I'm not sure if the shelter has put him on there. he does have an ID band though



https://www.facebook.com/WorcesterAnimalRescueLeague

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Oh my gosh he's adorable I'm sure the owner will come forward. Hopefully they will ask for details of the ring

(Just to add, I live really close to a place called Worcester in the UK!)

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he is quite charming who know how far he has flown. i will see if he is still there on monday


i wouldn't be surprised if its names after the one in UK, so many places are

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