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Layered Salad/Fresh Food Diet

Does anyone here feed their birds a layered salad daily, or a fresh food diet? I've been doing quite a lot of reading on it recently, and I was wondering how successful it was.

The "recipe" for the layered salad is at the bottom of this page: http://www.parrothouse.com/pamelacla...sntlikeit.html It's essentially a layer of chopped greens, a layer of vegetables, a layer of broccoli and carrot, a layer of citrus fruit and apple, and a layer of frozen veg. It should keep for up to a week in the fridge - the acid from the citrus and the extra cooling from the frozen veg aid this. Then before giving it to your birds you mix in cooked beans, cooked or sprouted grains, pasta, soft fruit and a little seed. And you should feed it in the morning and afternoon/evening (these are the best feeding times for parrots in the wild, so it mimics that).

The problem I have is firstly our birds mostly aren't keen on veg. Misfit is wonderful and will eat most things, Gizmo is almost as good. The two boys though will only really eat carrot tops, and sometimes broccoli and the 'tiels are resistant to all veg still. There is a method for converting them to this diet in the link above though, and I can hope that all the variety would encourage them to eat it, and with time, we'd win.

The main problem is that I go out to work, practically before the birds are up. My bf gets them fed and sorted in the morning, but he's a student, so his timetable differs from day to day - which means he can't always be around to take fresh food back out of the cage after a few hours. However, Pamela Clark (the author of the article linked), states she can leave this mix in the cage from 7 am - 4pm. If this was possible, it would be perfect for us, as my bf feeds them around 8 am, and I'm almost always home by 5 pm. Although hopefully they'd eat most of it before then. Plus considering where I live, it rarely gets very hot, even in the middle of summer and apparently since the mix is quite dry (the pasta soaks up any moisture) then the mix dries out, rather than spoiling.

Third, I have to work out how much to make each week, for our birds. When I feed Beak Appetite, I give a tablespoon for each 'tiel, and two tablespoons for the four budgies (they're English/show budgies, and weigh about 50g each, so approx. half the size of the 'tiels). Would the same amount be ok for the layered salad per serving do you think? It's probably what I'd aim for.

All in all though, it would be pretty easy for us to feed it, as I could make up the layered salad at the weekend, cook and freeze beans so they just need to be defrosted in the morning, and I usually have sprouts ready anyway. And mixing it together and dishing it up every morning would be easy, even if me and Tom both have to leave early.

My plan would then be for them to have pellets all day, and millet/nutriberries in their foraging toys still, like they have already, and for them to have the layered salad in the morning, and Beak Appetite (or my homemade version) in the evening, when we have tea. Which should all be a nicely varied diet for them.


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I use a layered salad for Levi(Linnie), alternated with a homemade mash that includes pretty much the same nutrition. I alternate because Levi seems to get bored...
I see no problem in leaving the salad in the cage while you're away for the day....I feed the mash to my Budgies every day, as they refuse fresh fruits and veggies....That way they get it, but don't know it!!!

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Ours get a dish of fresh food, veggies, and sprouted seed every day in addition to a dish of 75% pellet, 25% seed. They chow through their fresh mix first (often devour the whole dish within the hour ) then they have the dry food to last them through the day. They seem to really enjoy it!

I've heard about the layered salad, but I've never tried it personally.



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Mine get veggies and a "hot" dish every day for dinner, in addition to their pellet mix, and fruit 3 times a week. I've heard about the layered salad but haven't tried it yet. It seems like a lof of work. . Is it really necessary when they're getting their veggies daily anyway?
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Mine get veggies and a "hot" dish every day for dinner, in addition to their pellet mix, and fruit 3 times a week. I've heard about the layered salad but haven't tried it yet. It seems like a lof of work. . Is it really necessary when they're getting their veggies daily anyway?
The thing is, they aren't getting their veg everyday. We give them veg, but I only have one bird I could confidently say was eating it - even when they have their Beak Appetite I find most of the veg left, completely licked clean. The other thing about this salad is that it's supposed to be easier to to get them to eat it in the first place, because of the extra choice and foraging opportunities. Also once you get them eating the salad, you can change the veg, and they'll still eat it, because the appearance of the salad hasn't changed, and you don't have to introduce all the different veg you want to feed them individually - which will mean it's easier to get them the veg that's in season here, and know they'll eat it, rather than having to get imported veg, which isn't at it's best. It wouldn't really be that much work either - just chopping veg for the salad once a week - my birds aren't big so even a week's worth won't be that much, lol. And I can easily make up a month or so worth of cooked beans to go in the freezer, like I do when I make up their couscous mix.


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Niblet and Millie get what I call their salad plate every afternoon. I make it different every day and always have several different vegetables and either beak appetite or beans or brown rice. They love it and consider it a treat. I never leave it out for more than two hours but that's just me maybe being overly careful.
Your layered salad sounds great and the best thing is that if the birds won't eat it, you and your bf could.
BTW I never put seeds in with their salad. I do give them fruit several times a week as part of their salad plate. They have their seeds in a separate dish and I take the seed out of the cage in an hour or two.
It's easy for me to prepare food for them as I'm retired and home most days.
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Sounds good enough for me to eat! I do grains and beans daily, plus hookbill mix and fruit in the afternoons. Dinner is a taste of what we eat with out any salt or other people sauces. Scrambled eggs, peanut butter toast, pancakes with pellets! Thats how I get them to eat pellets. Otherwise they consider pellets something to be tossed like a football. Allso veggies as we have them, they love bell peppers, hate carrots.
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Well, we made up the salad on Sunday, started feeding in on Monday , and it's already a success! On Monday they just picked out the rice and pellets. I think we also gave them a bit too much and they didn't really dig through it. On Tuesday, it was more or less the same, but Tom gave them less and we could tell they'd been digging in it. We also saw Widget eating broccoli. (Luckily the budgies are tame enough that they don't care if we're standing right next to them while they're eating so we can check what they're eating). Yesterday, we had six birds with sticky yellow faces from eating/digging through the oranges we used for the citrus layer - 'Kio and Kami don't look too bad since they have yellow faces anyway, but the rest are a mess, lol. It looks like at least one of the budgies has been munching on beans, and the biggest surprise of all was Kami. She was happily munching away on broccoli, grated carrot and some of the leafy greens. Hopefully from there she'll go on to eating the other veg in there, and we need to keep an eye on Lofty to check that she's eating them too. And so far there's been no problems with keeping anything fresh. The salad still looks good when I get home from work - although there's progressively less in their dishes, which I'm taking as a good sign, even if there is more on the floor around the cage, lol. We've got loads of bags of rice and beans in the freezer - we split them into daily portions so they just need defrosted in the morning. And the salad in the fridge is still looking great.


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I think you can safely say it's been a huge success. Good on ya
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My birds eat vegetables already, but it sounds as if this method might make preparation easier by enabeling a person to make up the salad in advance. I chop my vegetables totally differently for my two birds, though, so I am thinking I'd still need to make separate salad mixes. Nevertheless, I do believe I'll give this a try, too. Thanks for the posts.
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It's definitely been much easier for us, just an hour a week, then less than ten minutes in the morning to mix it together, and we're making enough for six birds.


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I made my first layered salad on Sunday and fed it yesterday and today. I do not think either bird is eating more vegetables than before, but the senegal always ate vegetables and fruits, and the bourkes ate broccoli, corn, peas, carrots and oranges already. The thing I did notice, however, was that the vegetables seemed to hold up better prepared this way. I used to come home to a pretty pungent smelling room that I had to clean up immediately. I didn't worry that they were getting into anything rotten because both throw stuff out of their bowls and onto the cage floor, and the grates are so high up away from the bottom that neither can get to anything once it is down there. However, now there is little to no odor when I return, and the vegetables don't seem to be decomposing at all. Additionally, much less is ending up on the floor of the senegal's cage. She isn't eating more, but she is leaving it in the dish for some reason. Perhaps she wants to be certain she can get some later in the day.

I probably shouldn't admit this, but I have been throwing some of the mixture in with romaine for a lunch salad for myself, too. I'm only using organic foods sold for human consumption in the mix. It has been a tastey addition to my own lunch salad, and easier for me than preparing something each morning, so I guess I'll be eating healthier, too.
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