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Sunshine factor?

Was wondering if anybody could help me with this. I bought the Sunshine factor stuff (dietary supplement) a little while back and I have yet to use it. It says on the bottle how to prepare it and that it should be given through a syringe. It says it's a blend of red palm fruit oil and canola oil. Can it be given any other way? It seems a little unfair to grab your bird daily and give it some, I'd of thought I could have put it on other food and stuff but if that's a problem I obviously won't. Just wondering what you guys think?

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Daisy, are all your birdies hand raised? If they are, they may take the syringe without being grabbed. I've seen 5 year old IRNs take syringe for first time since they were weaned as if it was yesterday they were fed like that. Try it without grabbing?

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Out of my 50 odd birds only Harvey (cockatiel), Dexter (GCC) and Perry (GGC) are hand raised. Dexter and Perry were spoon fed and having shown them a syringe before have no interest. I believe Darwin my black capped lory could of been hand raised as he still wasn't feeding himself great (wont eat proper solids at all like veg, so I give him it blended) and I have given him the odd top up with a syringe. He vibrates like crazy. I wouldn't actually grab them! It was a figure of speech !

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you can add it to mash, fresh foods, and toast and such not just by syringe for the lovebirds i give it to them on their veggies and to the tiels i give them the oil on a small bit of toast



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Ah okay thank you! How much do you put on their veggies?

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a drop or two. but thats following the dosage on the bottle. i might give extra if needing to put on weight



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Okay thank you

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I had the same problem I bought it and then saw it said to feed it orally. I was frustrated that they didn't mention that on the site as my budgies and tiel won't take things through a syringe unless held

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It should state easier methods. I now have red palm oil to spread on things now. This morning the birds got scrambled egg (with the shell) and I put some of the oil on some toast for them, crumbled it and mixed it in with the egg. They really enjoyed it!

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What is the sunshine factor good for? I have never heard of it.



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This was on the Harrison's site...

This Brazilian red palm fruit oil complements all diets (Harrison’s Bird Foods or seeds) except Power Treats and can be used as a dietary supplement for all birds. Do not use in conjunction with Booster..

BENEFITS
Natural vitamin precursors have been found to have more potent positive health benefits and fewer side effects than synthetic sources.

Sunshine Factor:
• Is a whole food source of carotenoids (precursor to natural vitamin A, including alpha- and beta-carotene)
• Is a non-synthetic source of 6 forms of vitamin E (tocopherols and tocotrienols)
• Is a natural, rich source of coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) when compared to other oils, which benefits the heart
• Has high antioxidant content for immune system support
• Contains a good balance of fatty acids
• May benefit the animal’s skin, eyes, heart and immune system by strengthening the overall nutritional status
• May improve the animal’s energy level, particularly in geriatric, pediatric or weak patients
• Is beneficial for all aspects of the skin, coat or plumage, including dry skin, dull hair or brittle feathers
• May improve the effectiveness of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs
• Is a vegetarian oil that is more stable than flax oil
• Is easy to administer because animals like the taste
• Is a sustainable agricultural product grown on Fair Trade farms in Brazil.

Individual results may vary. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

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Sounds interesting, I will have to look into it. Thanks



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To be honest I think you're better off with just a tub of red palm oil

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I have been having Herb Salad available for Maxx. He picks at it every day.

Herb Salad for Birds

Enable your bird to self medicate naturally! Each herb has been chosen for its healing and preventative properties.

Directions: Offer Herb Salad dry, in shallow dishes so that your birds can find the particular herb it needs. Replenish as necessary or every two weeks.



Twin Beaks® Aviary's Herb SaladTM was first developed in 1989 in their own aviaries for breeding finches, canaries and doves. Its value to avian wellness is recognized by industry leaders.

Herb SaladTM is based on the principle of an animal's ability to self-medicate in the wild. Herb SaladTM offers our birds the opportunity to prevent the illnesses and deficiencies that can arise from captivity. The ability to combat these concerns in their earliest stages, before we are even aware of a health issue, is invaluable. Unlike medications, Herb SaladTM is at work before a problem arises. It also allows our birds to choose for themselves what supplements, and in what quantity, they need.

Containing the leaves, roots and bark of 22 different healing herbs, Herb SaladTM provides vitamins and minerals, helps repair damaged organs and strengthens their immune system, thereby helping to fight off infection. Herb SaladTM improves skin, beak and feather condition, aids digestion, increases fertility and much more. Many years of research and hands-on experience went into determining the chosen herbs and their proportions in our blend.

Ingredients:

Astragalus - immune system stimulator, aids digestion, energy, kidneys
Barberry - C, antiseptic, respiratory, antibacterial, blood purifier, liver function
Chickweed - C, B6, B12, D, anti-inflammatory, anti-tumor, stomach, respiratory
Dandelion - liver, kidneys, stomach, vitamins, rich in potassium, iron, calcium
Echinacea - antibiotic, antiviral, strengthens immunity, vitamins & proteins
Elderberry - respiratory, anti-inflammatory, blood purifier, stimulates appetite
Garlic - antibacterial, antifungal, antioxidant, fertility, immune system, heart
Kelp - iodine, thyroid, stimulant, emollient, protects mucous membranes
Lavender - stimulant, digestion, essential oils, relieves stress, metabolism
Licorice - expectorant, liver detoxifier, anti-inflammatory, delicious flavor
Marshmallow - heals wounds, calcium, diuretic, demulcent, tonic
Milk thistle - liver repair, heart, lungs, circulation, expels intestinal worms
Oatstraw - rich in calcium, magnesium, yeast infections, antiseptic, thyroid
Olive leaf - chronic skin problems, allergies, improves the will to live in sick birds
Pau d’ arco - antibacterial, blood cleanser, fights infections, liver, candida
Plantain - kidneys, bladder, appetite, diarrhea, antibacterial, anti-inflammatory
Red clover - relaxant, antibiotic, inflammations, biotin, minerals, B’s, A, C
Spirulina - fertility, growth, immune system, stress reducer, color, protein
Thyme - antibacterial, kills and expels worms, fights diarrhea
Valerian - feather plucking, aggressiveness, pain relief, nervous conditions
Wormwood - liver, aids digestion, encourages appetite, kills & expels worms
Yarrow - blood purifier, liver function, virus & fungal inhibitor, tonic
FAQs - Direct from the creator of Herb Salad

Can I mix your herbs in with my egg food?
We don't advise mixing Herb Salad in with egg food, soak seed or anything moist. Because of the medicinal properties of the herbs, your birds should be able to choose which herb it wants and the quantity it desires to eat.

Will I have to grind up your herbs for my smaller birds?
No. This would make it very difficult for your bird to pick out certain herbs. Also, birds generally don't prefer powdered mixes.

Can I feed Herb Salad to my parrot?
Certainly! All species of birds will enjoy the benefits of Twin Beaks® Aviary's Herb Salad!

I was just wondering how long the herbs will stay fresh and how to store them. I have an African Grey coming to live with us in Aug. (after being weaned) and don't know how much to order or how to feed it.
As long as you keep it dry (refrigeration not necessary), our herbs have a shelf life of up to 2 years. Young parrots seem to take instantly to Herb Salad, some need to *learn* what it is.. Provide a cup large enough to contain a well mixed blend, but try to locate it in an area of his cage away from his food and water sources so that it stays clean.

Are the herbs in your Herb Salad mixed in equal parts?
No, quantities are varied according to diet requirements. The selection and proportions of herbs contained in our blend has been carefully chosen based on extensive research and many years of use.

It looks like my birds are *playing* with some of the herbs?!
They're extracting nutrients by *mouthing* or *playing* with certain herbs, especially the larger pieces.

Can my birds eat too much herbs and get sick?
No, your bird knows best what it needs and how much.

I don't know if I can afford another food supplement!
This is not another supplement nor a medication, rather a deterrent to illness and an encouragement to wellness. I think of the herb dishes like my bird's little medicine cabinet. Contents for what ails them when they don't feel good!

What kind of birds will eat your herbs?
Everybody, from the tiniest finches to the largest parrots! Dove, quail, pigeon, even softbills eat Herb Salad.

When and how much should I give my birds?
Herb Salad should be available to your birds at all times. It is best served in its own shallow dish so that your birds may *pick* around in it.

Is Herb Salad the only supplement I need to give my birds besides cuttlebone?
Don't stop using any supplements you are already using. If your bird's diet is deficient in any areas, Twin Beaks Aviary's Herb Salad will help correct this.

How long can I keep my herbs before they're too old to feed to my birds?
As long as you keep them dry and free of dust and debris, they will last as long as it takes for your birds to consume it, or up to two years.

What differences in my birds will I notice after feeding them Herb Salad?
More active birds, better feather condition and color, better appetite, and increased breeding productivity are just some of the improvements from feed Herb Salad. After we began feeding medicinal herbs to our birds, we had a dramatic reduction in deaths, illnesses, *mystery* fluffed birds, nervousness and feather/skin problems. The positive aspect has been that our birds are able to correct minor health issues before they get severe and we are able to notice a difference in their behavior. We rarely medicate. They are beautifully colored.

My birds need to *fatten up*! Will this help?
There are herbs in our mix that stimulate appetite. And, it stands to reason that a bird that feels well will eat better!

Will my birds really eat licorice?!
Yes, they will! In addition to its medicinal properties, licorice has a flavor that birds find appealing. It also helps to give some of the more bitter tasting herbs a better taste.

I'm confused... Should I treat my sick birds with your herbs instead of medicines?
No. Always seek veterinary care for sick bird. Usually, by the time you notice your bird's not feeling well, it's quite ill. Twin Beaks Aviary's Herb Salad allows your bird to combat illnesses before the apparent signs that allert the bird keeper. Herb Salad will not cure disease, but it can aid in recovery and help to repair any deficiencies or damage done by the illness or the medications.

Some of these herbs aren't indigenous to the country that my birds come from. Will they still eat it?
Yes!

How should I store unused Herb Salad?
You need to keep Herb Salad dry and away from moisture. Refrigeration and freezing are not necessary.

I got my salad mix yesterday and they immediately emptied the bowl but also placed it in their nest boxes. Is it o.k. to grind the herbs up enough so that they will not be desirable as nesting material?
Some of the herbs repel mites, especially the pau d' arco bark (the brown strip-like pieces). We've had some birds do that, as well. It's not advised to grind up the herbs. This makes it difficult for birds to pick out certain herbs, plus, most birds will ignore powered foods. We allow the occasional birds who wish to, use the pau d' arco for their nests. It's repelling parasites such as mites.

Wow, do you sell pau d' arco bark by itself? My birds have been scratching for months!
We don't sell any of the herbs individually. Thyme, milk thistle, wormwood... all fight parasites and worms, as well. But, your birds should get enough of all these from Herb Salad. Wood shavings are a natural insecticide, inhibit the growth of bacteria and repel parasites such as mites (avoid cedar and pine, though) One of the ingredients in our nesting material is aspen. It's much cheaper than pau d' arco bark. Do your birds have enough access to bathing? This could be a possible cause for the scratching, especially when humidity is low such as in the winter months.

Can I add your herbs to my bird's seed?
This may be a good way to introduce Herb Salad to your bird's diet, but over time I'd be concerned about waste. Be sure they're eating it all!

My bird loves your herbs--though he's very selective.
Herb Salad is working as it should with a selective bird; he's selecting the herb(s) he needs to address a particular need, e.g. deficiency, ailment, emotional. We recommend you add to his daily supply, mixing it in with the existing, so that he keeps getting what it is that he's seeking.

Have you ever tried making a tea out of the Herb Salad?
We've had several people report success having made a tea out of Herb Salad. A breeder friend of mine was doing that with her own flock. However, one of the main values and distinctions of Herb Salad and its recommended feeding guidelines is in allowing the bird to pick when, and what type of herb it needs. In tea form you're *force feeding*. Providing it as a stand-alone is our recommendation.

I was wondering if the herbs have been known to heal (or help) a Gould that has been ill for a month or two. Is it recommended to feed the herbs to a seriously ill Gouldian that has been difficult to diagnose?
It's been reported to me many times, as well as seeing it in my own aviary, that Herb Salad cured an ill bird when medication couldn't. There are several different reasons that make this possible… The bird's illness hasn't been correctly diagnosed, so proper medication isn't provided. The bird may be suffering multiple illnesses and the meds are only addressing part of the problem. Or, it could be that the medicines themselves are causing additional problems, side effects. Replenish Herb Salad often so that your birds doesn't run out of the particular herb(s) he needs. Keep trying to find the right medication.



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That stuff sounds awesome!

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Maxx picks through it every day. I got a 4oz bag just to try it, and I am only half way through it, and it has lasted a long time so far. It says to refresh it every few weeks.

As I am writing this, Maxx is digging in the dish.



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Was wondering if anybody could help me with this. I bought the Sunshine factor stuff (dietary supplement) a little while back and I have yet to use it. It says on the bottle how to prepare it and that it should be given through a syringe. It says it's a blend of red palm fruit oil and canola oil. Can it be given any other way? It seems a little unfair to grab your bird daily and give it some, I'd of thought I could have put it on other food and stuff but if that's a problem I obviously won't. Just wondering what you guys think?
While shopping at my local exotic store, they had this bread made by Harrison's Bird Foods, that you bake for your birds (like a quick bread). Its full of nutritional stuff but it calls for this as the oil. The gal stated that she makes the bread, cuts it up after it bakes into slices and freezes the slices individually, all her birds love it... I'm going to try making it for my picky eater. He will not eat fresh fruits or veggies. He will only eat seed, pellets, and dried fruits.
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Then I can guarantee he will love the bread! They come in some yummy flavours too

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Personally i prefer the use of syringe and when repeating the birds like that as well because it's a time to get cuddling e.t.c. but one of our avian vets told me recently that i can pour the quantity they need to take on some parrot bread or something they like but like bread thing, they will eat it and take the medication as well.. I haven't try that though but he said that all of his other patients prefer that..
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