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Feeding my new baby Senegal

Firstly, I keep one cup supplied (not full, she doesn't eat that much and I think it's better to put more in more frequently so that it stays fresh in the sealed bag) with a combination of Zupreem Avian Maintenance Natural and Roudybush mini pellets. I can't find the Roudybush locally, and the breeder said it's okay to transition her to Zupreem Natural in this way- is that right?

Related to that, her second cup contains a combination of raw organic almonds, organic raisins and pecans. I'll be rotating other nuts and dried fruits in, and she also has another treat cup for fresh or wet foods like fruits and veggies. Anyway, she seems to eat more of the treats than the pellets. Is that okay?

And lastly, she likes to perch on her treat cup while eating from it, in such a way that she is facing outward and so she poops in it inadvertently. While I don't mind cleaning it frequently, is there a type of bowl that is covered or something, that will fit into the brackets in the cage?

Oh, one more! I have a large, unopened bag of "Kaytee enriched parrot food". It appears to be a mixture of seeds. She likes her millet spray, would it be good if I give her a small amount of the seed diet (after picking out the artificially colored bits), like half a teaspoon a day or something in her treat cup?

And, last one, I promise! At least for now...

I have green beans and okra but they are cut and frozen. Is it okay if I thaw some and give them to her raw? Or will the thawed texture be objectionable to her?
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Roni generally eats what seems to me to be more veggies, sprouts, and fruits than pellets, but it may just be an illusion. I see no problem with them eating as many veggies and sprouts as they want, but I don't give her as much fruit as she would eat because she is a fruit hog if allowed to choose. I limit nuts to one or two per day for Roni, but more might be ok. I usually give her soaked nuts, but not always. Soaks are nutritionally better than nuts that have not been allowed to germinate, but I figure in the wild they would eat both kinds, so I don't kill myself making sure they are always soaks.

If you find a good bowl to prevent that issue, let me know. I'll buy one, too.

I see no problem with a small amount of the Kaytee. You have it. I don't know that I'd buy more, but I wouldn't waste it, either. Can you sprout the seeds? If the seeds will sprout, they are fresher. Also, sprouts are just good for birds and people both. I don't mean sprout them all, but you might at least give it a try with some of it to see how fresh the seed is.

I feed thawed frozen vegetables - just thawed but "raw" now and again. Roni seems to like them as much as she likes the fresh stuff. Actually, I think she just really likes variety because she will eat a very wide variety of things and seems to go first for familiar foods she has liked in the past but not seen for a few days.

She does often have to just throw a new food item all on the bottom of the cage a few times before she will start actually eating it. She will eat anything after it has been presented to her at least 3 times, but it is not at all uncommon for her to very meticulously throw every bite of a new item onto the floor the first few times the item is presented.

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Thank you. I noticed the throwing-on-the-floor thing already, she threw a couple of pieces of apple down and then devoured a couple more.

So, I went shopping for her tonight. I didn't find any dried fruit that I really liked, most of it either had sulfur dioxide, or sugar, or both. So I got a couple of dates and a couple of dried (unsulfured) figs for her, to see how she feels about them.

I also got her an assortment of raw organic nuts- cashews, hazelnuts, pumpkin seeds, walnuts, pecans. No peanuts, because my 3 year old used to be extremely allergic to them and his next testing with the doctor is coming up soon.

And frozen peas, green beans, okra, fresh blueberries, raspberries, peaches, nectarines, apricots, watermelon, cherries. Those are for the humans too, of course.

I have adzukis and mung beans and lentils that I plan to sprout for her. The bigger beans can't be sprouted, is that correct? I mean, sprouting doesn't deactivate enough of the toxic enzyme in the bigger beans? Is it better to sprout those then cook them, or just cook them from dry?

By bigger beans I mean kidneys, limas, garbanzos etc.

This is how I have always fed my children anyway- whole grains only, no sugar, no chemicals, preservatives, or artificial colors/flavors, lots of produce. So it's just the same thing that I'm used to anyway, I have years of practice. But birds being different from humans, I want to make sure to accommodate her needs.

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Sounds like your normal ways of feeding your family will work well for Eko, too.

Many people do not feed peanuts to birds because they are so prone to harboring fungi. My birds don't get much wheat because I am allergic to gluten myself. They survive without it. If there are allergy issues in the members of the household the birds won't suffer as long as they have plenty of other variety.

I do feed organic pellets that contain gluten because I can't find organic bird foods that don't contain gluten. I just have to be very careful handling the food, especially the dust that is left when they eat them. I do have to caution, though, that I heard the other day that some bird pellets contain peanuts. I'm not saying what I am about to say is certain, because I'll have to check out the ingredients, but I think when I heard this discussion it was said that Harrison's is mostly peanut based. Well, if you have dealt with a severe allergy for three years you already know how to check labels and exactly what is safe for your child and what isn't. I know some folks have to avoid the possibility of breathing in or even touching peanuts, and some are not quite that sensitive. With me, I'm okay with completely prepared gluten containing products as long as I don't ingest any gluten or breathe it in. So I can make a sandwich for someone else with regular bread, or feed the birds the pellets. I can't, however, cook with wheat, barley, or rye flours or handle any products in which the stuff could become airborne or visit places like a bakery or grain elevator, and wheat harvest around here is a bad time of year for me. Avoid whatever you need to avoid for the safety of your son, and your bird is not going to suffer at all.

I soak kidneys and the like for eight hours before cooking them. Yes, most of those have to be cooked before ingestion. I know there are supposed to be some quicker soak methods, but I soak them for eight hours or so. I don't know the answer about actually sprouting them first. I was given a link to a great web site on here or on the linnie forum, not sure which, called the Sprout people. That site gives all the information you would probably ever want to know about sprouts. The information is for people, but I figure it is applicable to birds.

I'll look that up for you and try to post it later.

The only thing that you probably would want to do differently for birds than what you already do for your family is to avoid some foods that are ok for people but not for birds. One example of that is celery. Another is onions. Again, I believe there is a thread on this forum that lists foods birds should not have. You've probably already found it. I'll look again, too.

Your bird probably already eats better than most of the people reading this forum. I'm sure she eats healthier than I do.
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The link for the Sprout People follows:

http://www.sproutpeople.com/

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OK, I looked on the forum, and there is a sticky in this section about foods that should not be fed to birds.

However, I think the sticky in the same place on the linnie forum has a great deal more information and foods listed. I guess that might not help if you don't want to become a member of the linnie forum? I do invite you to join that one if you desire. It might be possible to just read the sticky without joining. Sorry, I don't know.

Celery isn't listed on the list in this forum. I'm not sure where I read that, but I think it is supposed to be avoided. ANYONE - please correct me if I am mistaken.

All of you with greater knowledge than I have, please chime in.
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Nanay - I've never heard of celery being unsafe. However, it's mostly water, so it's not the most nutritious thing out there. We used to give it to the birds at the shop with natural peanut butter and raisins, like you would do with kids A fun treat now and then!



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nanay you are always full of wonderful information.

My sennie, Scooter, eats a wide variety of foods. He was on the Zupreem fruit blend when we bought him, and right away I started trying to convert him to the natural blend. I simple did a 50/50 split, and within 2 days he was eating the natural, so I stopped giving him the fruit.

He enjoys my homemade mash, which is my own version of this recipe: http://www.lineolatedparakeet.net/fo...rition/202_202 I like it, as it explains how to offer a balanced diet.

I also make birdie bread, and offer some some nuts on occasion (no more then 2 or 3 every few days), as well as nutriberries and every once in awhile, dry seed.

I have also offered him sprouted legumes and grains and seeds.

He eats pretty much anything. I got lucky. lol!


Mommy to:
Jack the Ripper ----> Pacific Parrotlet
Kiwi ------> Green Cheek Conure
Scooter -----> Senegal
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I'm still trying to find what I read about celery.

It was perhaps difficult to digest? Or it might be the high salt content in celery. Orrrrrrrrr, it might be that I was supposed to reduce my salt intake and so wasn't supposed to eat much celery.

There might be nothing wrong with celery. I'm still trying to figure that one out.
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