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what should i do? (need opinions)

as some may know, i just adopted 4 parakeets. 2 are eating millet from me and the other 2 are a little more scared. Bowie is both eating millet and will sometimes some on a perch. he has flow out of the cage twice, but i have been able to get him back on the perch to put him back with a little hesitation. i am not wondering if i should tame them all the way, or when quarantine is done, if i should just let them fly on my trees and eventually they will become more tame. i was also thinking of having all of them be able to get on a perch so their are semi- tame before letting them on the tree.

what i am really asking if for people to put down how tame their birds are and if they are getting more tame, and how it is working out. does anyone have birds that they let fly around and they are getting more tame?

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i have 2 budgies that we are taming. i do clip their wings because one it is to dangerous for them to fly around and 2 they are not tame. we are now able to get them to step up once we get them out of their cage and they will allow us to rub their heads a little. we get them out at least every other day flower whom we have had a year or almost a year is a lot more calmer than sky but we have not had her long

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I have 2 budgies which I have given up trying to tame them(too much hard work ; they are trained to step on a perch, but not hand tamed. I let them out in the bird room and I have just as much fun watching them having their antics. I have other birds which are tame so for me it's not that important if my budgies don't want to step on my finger. My budgies are more wild, not more tame because I let them have the freedom of flying around


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I am currently training Clyde and he has a lot of freedom. He spends all day every day out of his cage
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My three budgies are not tame either. They're about 3 years old, all male. Ever since their wings grew back after the clipping they got when I got them, l've let them fly free all day. I'm not quite sure why, but ever since I've had all of them, they have never, ever landed anywhere except their cages. They fly all around my living room and dining room, but always come back to their cages. At night I tell them to go to bed and they go right in their flight cage together and I lock them in for the night. After all the time I've had them, l still can't touch them, but they let me come up to them. They used to fly away when I got close to them, but now they just sit and let me clean the cage and feed them and talk to them. So even though they aren't hand tame, we enjoy each others company and l love them all to pieces!

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Like Diane, I too have flighted untame birds, my linnies' pals the canaries. Right now I have 11 of them (this year's babies) and while I handled them when they were younger, they are still pretty wild. If I sit real still with some green leaf in my hand, they'll hop near and eat it, sometimes perching on my hand. However, I can manage them. When I need them to go into their cage, I put something yummy in their cage, use a signal (in my case, I open the other side of my cage....one side is for coming out, one is for going in ....and tell them "cage"), and herd them by standing on one side of them and slowly walking towards them so that they fly to their cage top. If they do that, I just stop moving and that's when the notice the treat and fly in.

When I was really young, we had budgies flying around the house. I don't know how my father did it, but I know there was no type of training involved, but all the budgies would come over when we were eating and investigate, coming quite close to us--I consider this pretty tame.

A lot of times, timid birds become more tame when able to fly because they feel more in control.

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I guess I can do like I did with butch and get them as tame as I can andtrain them as best I can and then they can spend the day on the tree playing with each other

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If you have one tame budgie and get that one to come on your finger the rest might follow suit(monkeys see, monkeys do).

I had once before a tame budgie and some untame ones, whenever the one that was tame lands on my hand to eat all the rest of the other untames would follow him and land on my hand too to eat , try that trick out

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I have a tame budgie. She likes to be with me whenever she isn't in her cage, but she also loves her cage and completely entertains herself. I got her young and she was handraised but I had to social her to things, noises, etc. I just did that by exposing her to things as much as possible.

I am taming my plet. He was handraised but then kept in a cage for 2 years before I got him. Progress has definitely been made. When I got him he would flutter all over the cage if you tried to get him to come out and had cage aggression. Now he steps up in his cage to come out, so that is huge! If you know anything about plets and cage aggression issues, you'd appreciate how huge that is. I just taught him step up away from the cage at first and then basically had sessions where I touched all his stuff in his cage and rewarded him for not lunging, lol. Then I worked on petting him jn his cage and rewarding him for that. And then moved on to stepping up to come out. Cage aggression still happens sometimes, and sometimes he still bites but he keeps getting better and better. Let me say tho that plet bites are the worst!!

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i could try the training with a tame bird too sometime when one starts eating millet, the other want to too.

i am trying to have them get used to things like me vacuuming and the most important is my putting my hand in the cage for cleaning, taking the seed and water out, and putting toys in. working with them when they are tird or quiet is worming best, because otherwise they all go crazy if they hear leon singing in the other room!

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A lot of times, timid birds become more tame when able to fly because they feel more in control.
This has definitely been my experience! My budgies currently hate me because I've had to grab and medicate them. who knows if I'll ever gain their trust now.

But I have a flighted cockatiel, Astrid, whom I adopted in April. She came to me clipped but very fearful of hands. From the beginning, I let her do her own thing. Come in and out of the cage at will. I attempted a little bit of step-up training with a perch but it made her too nervous so I backed off. I'd just hang out, offer her millet, and let her be. Her wings grew in and she learned to fly beautifully. Then one day, she flew over to me! Soon she was perching on my shoulder. She's still wary of my hands, but she's making steady progress. At first when she started flying to me, she'd fly away (as if to reassure herself that she could) and come back a minute later.

Being flighted and knowing she's in control gave her the confidence she needed to approach me. I have no doubt that clipping her wings would have done nothing but make her trust me less (also because grabbing and restraining her would have been involved). Keeping her in the cage until she became tame would have been cruel, as my other tiels have so much freedom...plus her being happy and getting lots of exercise made her much more agreeable. If she'd been stuck in the cage while I waited for her to learn step-up, she'd probably still be cage-bound after four months. She needed the opportunity to come to me on her terms, and that's the foundation on which our trust has been built.

Also having tame birds around as an example for her really helped. Leon is tame, right, and Butch semi-tame? I'm sure your new keets will want to copy them.
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i would let them out to fly, but i have never tried that method before and i would be afraid that i wouldn't be able to get them back i was lucky that when Bowie flew out that i could get him on a perch to go back. i could always try it when quarantine is dont and they are in my room with the tree and maybe see leon. i know the blue pied female loves leon (i might have brought leon into their room to see them for less than a minute...) and so she would probably come with him- unless of course leon goes away from me and pays attention to the new guys

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Parrots generally don't fly in the dark, so in a pinch you could dim the lights and sneak up on them with a towel. But I think it's pretty easy to train most budgies to hop on a perch for millet. If one will do it they usually all follow!
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This has definitely been my experience! My budgies currently hate me because I've had to grab and medicate them. who knows if I'll ever gain their trust now.

I had the same problem with my canaries, they had gotten to the point where they wouldn't freak out when I reached into the cage to do some cleaning, but then I had to do some nail clipping and it took them a while to settle. So I started using a signal that I was going to catch them. Since my cage has a sliding door, I would drape a sheet over the top and across the door, so the birds couldn't fly out over my head when I bent to clean the cage floor....it also became their signal I noticed whenever I draped the sheet down, the birds would go crazy because they thought I was going to grab them, but they also remained calm when I was just reaching in to service the cage and I no longer needed the sheet to prevent escapes

Recently, I've taken to putting the dog nail clipper (with it's bright orange handles) into the food bowl as "the signal" that they are going to have something unpleasant done to them. This is similar to a story by Karen Pryor about a nervous raven http://www.clickertraining.com/node/3224. I know it's a little long, but it really is a good strategy, especially if you have semi-tame birds that sometimes you need to grab.

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Parrots generally don't fly in the dark, so in a pinch you could dim the lights and sneak up on them with a towel. But I think it's pretty easy to train most budgies to hop on a perch for millet. If one will do it they usually all follow!
when he flew out, is was day time so there want much to do. luckily the stairs were darker so i could catch him

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I had the same problem with my canaries, they had gotten to the point where they wouldn't freak out when I reached into the cage to do some cleaning, but then I had to do some nail clipping and it took them a while to settle. So I started using a signal that I was going to catch them. Since my cage has a sliding door, I would drape a sheet over the top and across the door, so the birds couldn't fly out over my head when I bent to clean the cage floor....it also became their signal I noticed whenever I draped the sheet down, the birds would go crazy because they thought I was going to grab them, but they also remained calm when I was just reaching in to service the cage and I no longer needed the sheet to prevent escapes

Recently, I've taken to putting the dog nail clipper (with it's bright orange handles) into the food bowl as "the signal" that they are going to have something unpleasant done to them. This is similar to a story by Karen Pryor about a nervous raven http://www.clickertraining.com/node/3224. I know it's a little long, but it really is a good strategy, especially if you have semi-tame birds that sometimes you need to grab.
i tied to clip butch nails and i failed. and so i returned the clippers

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I use the dog nail clippers as a "signal" that I'm going to grab them.....I actually use a pair of baby nail clippers to clip the small canary nails and even the linnies nails. You can use something else to hang on the cage that signals you are going to be doing something unpleasant. Just make sure it's something that you won't usually have lying around because they'll probably freak whenever they see it....but they'll become calmer when they don't see it. My wild irn used to freak whenever she saw me wearing a particular pair of black gloves because those were the "grabbing gloves", but I could do routine cage maintenance no problem.

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the only one of my birds that i can catch is butch. i was trying to clip his nails with my mom but it didnt work out. i would get a sand perch, but they dont look comfy :/

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I'm way too chicken to clip my birds' nails myself. Silly, I know!! Thankfully the only ones that need it done are Boris (about once a month) and Juju (every 2-3 months). I take them to a local bird shop for grooming.

Wyrinth, that's very interesting about the signal. I'll read through that article. I only grab Truffle for her meds in the dark -- after I've turned down the lights -- because it's much easier and there's no flying around and chasing. Still, they don't trust me. Hopefully in time they'll get over the trauma.
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Clipping nails is quite easy with small birds, it's the big birds (like my Harris' hawk!) that I find hard to do If you have to grab them, don't use your hands. A nice, thin towel would work well
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butch kept closing his foot and then my mom couldnt find where to clip and butch was panting, so i put him on the tree, and that was that

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