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Unhappy i need some help

so 6 of my 8 fids come out. recently 4 of the 6, who are all perch tame to some degree, were becoming afraid of me and the perch. what is more of a problem is bobby and bowie coming out. they are great on the tree, but are developing bad habits. both are not huge fans of me, which is really making taking them out and putting them back a huge problem. I'm not sure how to explain the problem, so i will just describe each bird.

Pickles and Baby: have been coming out a little longer than bowie and bobby and used to be excited to come on the perch. now, in the past few days, pickles has become almost afraid of the perch and gripping on so she doesn't have to step up, running away when she is on the tree, and sometimes attacking the perch when she is on the tree. baby used to be thrilled about stepping up wherever and whenever. currently i am putting her away last and making her get on my finger. she doesn't like it and no she doesn't like to step up.

bobby bowie, the least tame of the 6 that come out.

bobby used to be fine coming out and he was nervous when he was new to the tree. i clipped his wings like i do with all the newbies that come out so they can't fly into a wall and they [hopefully] learn to respect the tree and me before they can respect flight. now. bobby likes being on the tree but all of a sudden is scared of me and it is a real pain getting him to step up because he quickly hops to the back of the tree where i can hardly reach. and though he has his outer 5 flights clipped, he is a really strong flier and can fly across the room. which his ability to fly with cut wings has caused another problem. if i open the door, he thinks that he can fly out onto the tree without me taking him there. this is not acceptable with my birds. i just tried to work with him on a cage top gym that is about 5 feet away from the tree. he gets nervous and flies past me and my raised had to the tree. i will admit i did have an angry tone in my voice because i was getting frustrated. i made him step up and he eventually did. i took him back to the gym and attempted some step up training. he was still nervous and again flew back to the tree. seeming that he didn't want to do things on the gym, i did "rapid" step ups on the tree… step up on the perch, step up on the tree etc. i don't think this helped and i know he wasnt happy. so i took him back to the gym and make him step up and i held my open hand inform of him on the way to the tree, when he did this and didn't fly off, i let him stay on the tree. i try to use millet to give to him during the training, but he just looks for ways to fly off.

bowie is the newest on the tree and i have to admit that training him was- fast. he wasn't big on taking millet as a reward, so i just started having him step up.so eventually he got to come out and since he is missing a toe and is a little challenged, i only clipped the inner 3rd and 4th flights. when he first came out he didint more around much and just sat with bobby. he was still new to training and someday he had trouble stepping up to go back, and would fly back to the tree once he was on the perch. now, in the last few days, he has become much more comfortable about "exploring" the tree. he will move about the 2 trees and i have seen him eating out of one of the seed cups. it is getting harder for me to have him step up when he's on the tree, and he is starting to fly off the perch when i am putting him on the tree, when i want to him step up rather than fly.

it is stressing me out a little because all of a sudden, things have been going wrong. i am going to continue to keep their wings clipped until they can peacefully go on the tree and come off of it. leon and butch only have flights 3 and 4 clipped and they can fly fine. though they are not bonded to me, they are fine with coming out and going back. they also fly onto the tree only because they are good at going back and will step up when i want them to.

what should i do to fix these problems? right now i am taking bobby out and leaving bowie in and then visa versa. butch, leon, baby, and pickles are also out.

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LOL - You now have a flock and not individual birdies so get used to these dynamics because this is what it is, if you ask me.

As to them not waiting for you to put them on the tree... well, I think you are confusing parrots with dogs that would obey a 'stay' command, parrots are not 'obedient' and budgies are even more independent than most other species.

If you feed them seeds only for dinner (and do gloop or chop for breakfast), you can let them out in the afternoon, when the sun is half-way down, turn off the light, put the dinner (seeds) in their cages and they will go in by themselves or gladly accept the stick or finger or whatever you use to move them from one place to another - but if you free-feed seeds or even pellets, it won't work because there is no incentive.
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My budgies are easy...lol I put the rest of the birds away and then turn down the lights... The budgies then go 'home' within a few minutes... They seem to know that's their cue!
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Turning out the lights when it starts to get dark is a great idea for getting them back in, flighted or not. They will usually step up or you could gently grab them and put them back in. They won't know it's a hand, they won't see it And as said above, you've got a flock. A whole flock is hard to bond with. They want the comfort and safety of one another

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Those are great ideas. When I had all the baby canaries, I would also use the food idea....they only got fed in the cage, so every so often they returned to the cage. Also, I would put in a yummy treat, like some sort of green and "herd" them in. I would slowly approach them, but not enough to panic them, just enough to get them to move towards the cage and close enough to see the greens. Then just wait, when one goes in, the rest start to follow. If one was being stubborn, then I would just close the cage door and "chase" the loose one and just put it in the cage. The next time, they would fly into their cage by themselves . I would also tell them all "cage" so they could start associating the word with going in. It worked almost all the time.

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I know I can't bond with them at this point
It's not that I want them to stay, but rather have them learn that the perch is good and doesn't mean that the have to fly off of it.

They get their food all day and many aren't food motivated :/ I can always try dimming the room more. It is already dim because I only have a few fish tank lights on an a string of Christmas lights. Taking Bobby and Bowie out is more of a problem than putting them back. I have been doing some training with both of them which is seeming to be doing some good.

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Why do you have to 'get them out'? Don't they come out by themselves? If they don't, just let them be, they will in their own sweet time.
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Perhaps you could do some "training" of them. You can go on Youtube and search for "training budgies", and will find some great information there. Some folks do clicker training. Also, I would suggest that you take one at a time in a small room in your home, either a bedroom, or even the bathroom, but in the bathroom, be sure there are no soaps, shower gels, or any other chemicals that they could ingest, because that would definitely not be a good result for them to eat any of those. Take a small dowel, or perch with you, or even a small stick (if it has been washed thoroughly and baked), and practice stepping up with the budgie. Have a piece of millet in your hand, so when the budgie steps up, then reward him/her with by letting him eat some of the millet from your hand. I would train about 15 minutes a day, max. Budgies are very intelligent, and he/she will soon connect with the fact that if he "steps up", he will get some millet. You can do the same thing when you are wanting them to come out of the cage. Personally, I don't think it matters whether you get them out of the cage or let them come out of the cage. (that is my own opinion). Once you train the budgie to step up on the perch in the small room, then try the same thing when you want him/her to come out of the cage. When he steps up, then reward him with the millet, and bring him out to fly free. You can also teach them to "fly home" using the millet training. They soon will learn you wish them to return to their cage. When they do so, then reward them! Most any behavior you want from them, do some training and soon you will find you are in "control" of your flock. I LOVE your flock! They are precious!
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I just like being able to take them in and out because if I need to go somewhere, I want to be able to put them back and not wait for them to go back (which they never wantto because they love being out). Yesterday I took Bowie out and put him on the tree and Bobby flew out. When I put them back they stepped up relatively easy, so I might let bobby fly out on his own like I let Leon and butch do. I will se how they are today

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