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Ringneck attacking new bird

Hi all, I need some advice.

I've recently got a new bird, a hand tamed baby lovebird named Arya and my existing bird, Marvel , won't leave her alone. I think Marvel has never been socialised with other birds and she constantly goes for Arya, trying to bite her toes, push her off perches, away from food bowls and generally just scaring her. It's getting to a point where I'm constantly hearing little squeaks from Arya and I'm getting fed up of telling Marvel off.

She's been like this with other birds in the past, leading me to believe that she's only suited to be with a family who only have a single bird. The only way to ensure that Marvel doesn't attack is to have them both in their separate cages but both birds hate being caged up all day. Even when Arya is in her cage and Marvel is out Marvel will climb all over the bars and nip her toes.

I don't really know what to do as I don't want to get rid of either of them but I also want what's best for them. I'm worried that Arya may end up getting hurt, either intentionally or from Marvel underestimating her own strength. Arya doesn't help the situation as she seems to follow Marvel around everywhere, sitting as close to her as she can and trying to preen her, which Marvel hates.

So thoughts and advice please. I'm at my wits end!
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Welcome to the forum

Firstly, are you housing them together then? Being as you've said about separate cages? Both species are extremely aggressive and often can't even be housed with others of the same species. I have had lovebirds kill other lovebirds. My Indian ringneck would not tolerate other birds anywhere near her. She would lunge, pin her eyes etc. until they went away. Unfortunately my other species were also hot headed and would have to try and confront her

Secondly, your ringneck was there first and is also most likely jealous of the new baby

I would house them separately all together and have out of cage time separate too. If you must, put a towel over the top of Marvel's cage while the lovie is out. Not to put them in the dark, but just to protect toes

You can't usually house two ringnecks together either, so the flock dynamics won't work keeping them in the same enclosure. Ringnecks can, do and will kill other birds as well as other ringnecks and lovebirds are the worst named birds on the planet Though she may not be able to kill Marvel, she could certainly take off a toe or such if she were to defend herself. It can all happen so quick

Telling her off won't help either. Birds don't care much for it and if anything you're giving her a reaction, which is incentive to do it more

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Thanks for the quick reply.

I don't cage them together, they both have separate cages, but given that I still live with my dad I don't really have the run of the house to truly separate them. I'll try giving them separate out of the cage time as you suggested and see what happens. Marvel detests being in her cage so she's not going to like it, but it is necessary.

What would you suggest for separating them should Marvel go for Arya again?
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Personally, I just wouldn't let them near one another I'd be too worried

Sorry for misunderstanding, I thought you meant you had them living together which would have been why it wasn't working out!

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If there is any jealousy there is a good chance of bad trouble down the road.
Agreed separate out of the cage time and keep tops of cages covered. Toes can get ripped off in a split second.
As time passes they may start to get used to each other, and maybe not.
There should not be a problem with them seeing each other from their cages.


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I agree with Clive and Daisy and the only thing I have to add is that I would try not to pay attention to one while the other one is looking on. This doesn't have to stay this way forever as they might learn to tolerate one another but I would definitely avoid making one jealous over the other one so I would either take one out of the room to interact or cover the front of the cage so the one 'left behind' doesn't see me interacting with the other one.
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Welcome to the forum Laura. I have lineolated parakeets for 4 yrs. I had a parrotlet first for 8 yrs. I love Jelly Bean, a little parrot all of 2 inches. So I recently re-homed her to a good friend because she became so jealous of my others birds. JB became vicious with the linnies. I tried covering the cages when the parrotlet was out because of late she started even attacking the others through the side bars right in front of me. When the linnies were out I had to completely cover my p'lets cage since the others didn't understand she could injure their feet or legs. When my p'let started taking it out on me, biting, refusing to go back in her cage. I made the decision to give her up. It was very hard to do but I felt it necessary to keep everyone happy and safe. Oh JB is so happy with Linda and back to be a sweet, lovable, cuddly parrotlet. Now I am waiting for another female linnie as a companion for my Skyler. Since with linnies it is better to have an even number.

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Thanks everyone for the answers so far, and Judy, I'm sorry you had to give up your beloved bird.

I love Marvel to bits but I'm starting to consider the fact that I may need to re-home her. I do want to have more than one bird and I think she's just not suited to living with other birds and might be better off in a family where she can be on her own. As loathed as I am to give her up I'm trying to think of what's best both for her and for Arya.

Marvel's in her cage right now and Arya is out. She doesn't look happy!
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I would consider having her, though she would have to live in an aviary. I have a real soft spot for the Asiatic parrots I'll inbox you

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Thanks everyone for the answers so far, and Judy, I'm sorry you had to give up your beloved bird.

I love Marvel to bits but I'm starting to consider the fact that I may need to re-home her. I do want to have more than one bird and I think she's just not suited to living with other birds and might be better off in a family where she can be on her own. As loathed as I am to give her up I'm trying to think of what's best both for her and for Arya.

Marvel's in her cage right now and Arya is out. She doesn't look happy!
I am not trying to judge you or anything, but I am curious what will happen if you do rehome Marvel, get another bird or two, and Arya proves to be a handful with the new arrival. I personally would not rehome the one who came to the household first. Though I understand your desire to have more birds.

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Some more thoughts. And just my personal opinions.

This is more than likely Re Directed Aggression.

"When my p'let started taking it out on me"
I have seen this a few times and been on the receiving end of bites because someone they did not like or something they did not like, Wham take that, so I had to be on the watch for anything that may cause this. That was a SC2 that also showed jealousy due to me playing with other birds. This one cost me two black eyes from a bite to the top of the nose.

I have only had to deal with jealousy in a hard way once. And that was Ricky (Eastern Rosella) And after the damage he did to some of my baby Tiels I had to let him go.


Dee makes a good point about which bird should go in a jealousy case.
But I am thinking it is the one who causes the trouble, as they are the ones who are going to cause more trouble down the track, with other birds.
That makes it hard if the one giving trouble is your first bird. Add to this that unless there is very good reasons, when you take a bird in, it should be for the life of that bird. As all too often they get passed around. And I feel they should not be treated like inanimate objects.
Some birds just need to be the only bird in a persons life.

Now for my own situation.
My guys do very well with the comings and goings of boarders. Even Dexter my shoulder parrot does not seem to get too phased about the attention I have to give to these other birds.
If I see any problems it is with the incoming boarders.
Like at the moment I have two Tiels in from one owner. They do not get along very much. Squeaky has intergrated with my guys very well and only after a few days is now sleeping out on the gym with them at nights.
The other one is 12yrs old, does not like to come out of his cage, but I do get him out. He tells off any of the others if they get too close to him.
Needless to say they do live in separate cages.
And I guess to me the funny thing is they both like head scritches now and then.
Another Tiel I have boarding is super tame, (female) and stroppy as with all of them including me if I do not scaritch her the right way, or I am not taking any notice of her when she wants something. Super friendly and more demanding than any other others.


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The reason I've decided to re-home Marvel instead of Arya is that even if Arya doesn't get on with future birds she's very easy to handle and doesn't hate being in her cage as much as Marvel does. She came to me hand tame and responds well to treats so hopefully will be easy to train. Marvel, on the other hand will step up but she's quite standoffish and she doesn't seem to like any treats. She can be very difficult to deal with at times, especially when she doesn't want to go back in her cage.

Honestly I've been thinking about whether she's happy for a while. I think she'd really benefit from living in an aviary and interacting with other ringnecks. I don't want to let her go as I love her to bits but I'm trying to think what's best for her in the long run. 30 years is a long time if she's not quite happy as she could be.

On the original note I've been taking them out of their cages separately and things seem a little better. Marvel hates being cooped up while Arya's out , but there's not much fighting going on anymore.
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Just my thoughts on re-homing

Unfortunately, we can't "try out" a bird. You might visit the bird in a pet store/breeder, etc. but you won't know the personality of a bird until you have lived together for about a year. I find it fascinating that we believe this is a good system! I mean you wouldn't marry someone based on this, why do we condone it so much in re-homing animals.

I am not saying the moment that you run into difficulties, just get rid of the animal....but if you've tried everything and ultimately neither party is happy (and if the owner is no longer happy taking care of a pet, I don't think the quality of pet care will be there) then there really shouldn't be such a negative attached to finding a new home for the bird. It's not like abandoning the bird or selling to the highest bidder, but what bothers you might not bother another person.

That being said, there is a fine line between realizing the animal is not a right fit and just getting bored with an animal--that is not fair to the pet. Most people on here do take the time to research their species and evaluate their personal lives to determine the best fit....it's just sometimes it doesn't work out.

I've known people who shouldn't own any animals because they did not understand the commitment and would easily bore and get rid of the pet....and others who were committed to animal that was not the right fit and continued to take of it, but it became more of a chore than the owner/pet relationship it should've been.

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Thanks everyone for the answers so far, and Judy, I'm sorry you had to give up your beloved bird.

I love Marvel to bits but I'm starting to consider the fact that I may need to re-home her. I do want to have more than one bird and I think she's just not suited to living with other birds and might be better off in a family where she can be on her own. As loathed as I am to give her up I'm trying to think of what's best both for her and for Arya.

Marvel's in her cage right now and Arya is out. She doesn't look happy!
I love Jelly Bean so much her happiness and well being was most important. And I know she is in a home with much love. I have happy memories with her to remember always

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I understand the need to rehome in certain scenarios. Sometimes things happen that were unexpected and sometimes there are animals that have behavior issues that are beyond a lay person's abilities, etc. But I do think it is less stress on the animal that hasn't been there as long to be uprooted than the one that is settled and bonded. I personally always default to my resident pets. My parrotlet (the bird I have had the longest) is more difficult than my other birds in some ways (in some ways easier too) but I could never get rid of him for a bird with an unknown personality who I have no bond with and will certainly have its own issues. Additionally, all the time I invested in him would basically be for someone else's enjoyment and I would have to start from scratch with another bird who will have it's own set of challenges. Before anyone was rehomed, I would have exhausted all my options and efforts, tried learning as much as I could to modify behaviors etc., because usually things can be modified if the owner is willing to learn with the animal.

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How long have you had Marvel and how long has Arya been with you?

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I've had Marvel for 4 1/2 months and Arya for a few weeks.
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From what I have read about ringnecks, they are kind of independent and stand offish. So, if the personality of them doesn't suit you or match your expectations (you only had her for a few months), perhaps finding another home is the best. I thought Marvel was with you much longer.
Now, the lovebird, as sweet as she sounds now, may change in behavior later on. So, just something to keep in mind if you are planning to get more birds down the road.

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I think Marvel will be better off with Daisy where she can be in an aviary with others of her species. I will keep an eye on Arya's behaviour, but she'll be easier to handle simply because she's a smaller bird. For the time being after Marvel has been re-homed I won't get any new birds but it's something I will consider down the line.
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I have said to Laura that I am happy to have Marvel when the time comes

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