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Feather Picker?



Hi all. This is Cisco. We just rescued him this past Monday. He was in a situation where he was kept at an office who's hours were 8 to 5, M-F. So my best guess he was bored during all that alone time and started picking. We've been trying to keep him stimulated here without going completely overboard since the dynamics in my house are far crazier than the office. I have him set up in front of a window without direct sunlight. He's been chatting up a storm but has become very protective of his new cage. He'll let us in if we have food, otherwise his beaks opens wide & tries to chomp down. (Who's got who trained lol). I did notice last night he was picking again.

I'm not sure what i can do to get him to trust me or am I not being patient enough? He was fine Monday with me..... allowing me to pet his beak & head, step up on my arm etc BUT we were at the office & on familiar grounds.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,

Jen & Cisco
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Just give him space and time to settle in. He needs to know he is safe and in good hands.
Dealing with cage aggression? Try not to put him in a position where he feels he has to defend his home. You may find that in time when he has settled in this may not be so strong. There again some birds do remain this way. Your bond with him will make a huge difference. Just make sure everybody knows to not push him while in his cage.

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Do not try to take him out of the cage as yet. Open the cage and let him come out when he is ready. Treats are good for this. Just be there for him, sit and talk in a quiet voice. Always speak to him whenever you pas his cage.
As for picking, it is sad, but it can become habitual. But boredom, and or health could also be why he started. It may be good to get a vet check to make sure there is nothing wrong. Then I would be sorting out a good diet for him. There are things you can add, like Red Palm Oil. This will help with his skin condition. Try to redirect him whenever you see him plucking. Stay away from a lot of the commercial products that claim they help with plucking, most do not work.


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Welcome to the forums...Clive has given good advice.. A vet check would be a good place to start, good luck.
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Clive is correct, you need a complete check-up. There was a feather picker on another forum and it was found (through XRays) that his gonads were huge (sexual frustration) and going by the schedule you mentioned he had in the past (added to a bad diet, I am sure), it would not be surprising is this was the cause or adding to it.

Aside from that, a good fresh food diet (I would not feed him pellets) with a little seed for dinner, a good quality full spectrum light (CRI higher than 93 and Ktemp between 5000 and 5500), a source of UVA and UVB, a strict solar schedule and enrichment (hours of out of cage time, flying, toys, foraging opportunities, etc) will do him wonders but, as Clive said, sometimes, even when we make everything that was wrong right, the habit has become so ingrained that it can't be broken. BUT, in my personal experience, it's always greatly diminished so, instead of chronic plucking and barbering (he is doing both), he might end plucking just one small spot or doing it only seasonally.
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Thanks Clive! And thank you Parrotlets Rock for the welcome and wish of luck.

I talk to him all the time & sometimes he'll mumble back. He is more responsive to my 7 yr old daughter than me right now so that makes me feel alittle better. He will come around. I've never rescued a parrot before so I am not used to not being loved right away (lol) I've gotten them as babies.

I will will definitively get him to a vet as soon as I can get him to trust me to step up on my arm so I can get him into a carrier without giving him a coronary. He won't step up onto my daughter yet but he is less aggressive with her. Probably because she peels his peanuts for him "because he doesn't want to do it himself mom".

When I get him to the vet I will ask him about a more holistic way of helping him not pick. I'm not really into commercial products. I'd much rather fix at the root cause than put a band aid on something.
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Quote Jen I will will definitively get him to a vet as soon as I can get him to trust me to step up on my arm so I can get him into a carrier without giving him a coronary Quote

It maybe awhile before you can do this and it is now that you should be sorting it out. Sorry.
I know you feel it will set you back and stress him out. But if you do this in a calm manner I am sure it will not be that bad.
Getting hold of him is going to be the issue. But get a towel over him and put him in a box for the trip to the vet.
Air holes towel on the floor of the box. Depending on how long you have to travel you can put a little food in there and an apple for some moisture for him. And the vet will need a fresh pooh. So if only a short distance you may not get one in the box. But you can collect a fresh one from the cage and put it in a small sealed plastic bag.

Chilli Peppers are very good for them. Dandelions, Grapes. And then sprouting for him seeds and grains. Dark green leaf veg. Chards, Silverbeet.
http://www.landofvos.com/articles/sprouts.html

http://www.avianweb.com/birdnutrition.html

That's cool he seems to have a soft spot for your young daughter.
It does sound all positive.


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Aside from that, a good fresh food diet (I would not feed him pellets) with a little seed for dinner, a good quality full spectrum light (CRI higher than 93 and Ktemp between 5000 and 5500), a source of UVA and UVB, a strict solar schedule and enrichment (hours of out of cage time, flying, toys, foraging opportunities, etc)
Thank you for all your input petiteoiseau. Do I still need an extra UV light for him if I have him set in front of a window? I have 20 ft of window in my living room from ceiling to floor so I have plenty of indirect sunlight coming in right where he is located. I noticed he wasn't getting any in the office he came from and bells n whistles went off immediately and told me set him up in the living room where I have the most sunlight.

I have been giving him fruits and veggies (not 100% sure if he was getting them before {aside from dried fruits as treats} but he is now). They also have me a bag of food called Healthy Select. It's a mixture of seed, dried fruits, flowers, antioxidants etc..... I've never heard of it before. Haven't had a chance to research it yet.



Thought I'd share his clown pic today..... woke up to him sleeping in his coconut.
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Unfortunately for us, bird keepers, window glasses have UV blockers so the percentage of UV light that goes through them is negligible (they do it so the draperies, carpets and furniture are not affected by the natural discoloration that happens when exposed to UV).

There is a polycarbonate product that allows for 90% UV light through (it's used to build greenhouses) but you need to order it online (I am planning on using panels of this material for roof windows when I move my birdroom to the attic).
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UV B is mostly blocked by glass (I can't remember exact amount) but think it was 80%
UV B is the rays they need to metabolise Vit D into calcium.

UV A passes through glass at about 90% (again I cannot remember exact amount)

So you ask if you do need to supplement? My feelings are you may not need to. But this is a very debatable subject with a huge number of differing views.
I will have to research what Bibi says, as this could be true, I do not know.

Found this.
Healthy Select Natural Parakeet Diet

Healthy Select Natural Parakeet Diet contains natural flowers and herbs and is blended with vegetables, sulfur dioxide-free fruits and grains to provide a nutritionally rich, high diversified diet, free of artificial colorings, flavorings and preservatives. This premium formula is fortified with vitamins and minerals to deliver top quality nutrition. Naturally colorful and attractive to all parakeet species, this diet includes beneficial ingredients to support a natural state of well being.



It does not sound too bad. And if it is what he is used to I would keep feeding him it for now at least.



I personally go with trying to keep things as natural as possible with their foods. And dislike any think mixed and adulterated.
One thing I do use other than Cuttlebone and hard mineral blocks is Manu Salt lick block. But only now and then.


As usual this is only my opinions.



Cute photo, he's going to be a bit of a ham.(Goof Ball) Love his character.


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Thank you for taking on such a beautiful bird. I am a huge fan of Alexandrine parakeets! They're such large, gentle parrots

All I'm going to say for now is don't run before you can walk. They're pretty laid back and easy going birds and they do 'tame down' quite well with ease. Let him settle for now and when he's ready he will come out of his cage on his own terms. All of my Asiatic parrots have been very cage territorial so it's not something you're on your own with!

When he's ready, try clicker and target training

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