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Caging question

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I am new to this site. I am the brand new owner of two very, very cute GCC's, one normal color (sex unknown) and one pineapple (DNA male). They are both about 10 weeks old. They were both hand raised from about 2 weeks of age apparently.

Right now, I have them in a single cage as that is the way they were housed from where I got them. The young lady who had them got them from a breeder in Florida (she gave me their hatch certificates)- not sure how they are weaned already, but they do appear to be doing fine with regards to eating- are on pellets (Zupreem and Harrisons) as well as veggies (carrots, parsley, and broccoli) and fruit (apples and strawberries seem to be favs, bananas, and blackberries, going to try grapes soon) so far. I am introducing them to as many new foods as I can.

My question is in wanting to separate them to promote the bonding process with me. However, I am unable to separate them without keeping their cages in the same room because they are in quarantine right now. Currently they are in my bedroom on the upper floor of my house since my cockatiel and parakeets are on the middle floor. The pineapple accepts when I have the other out, the original throws a temper tantrum when I have the pineapple one out by himself!

Will putting them in separate cages, but in the same room, work? The little pineapple is much shyer than the original (haven't picked names yet!). The original little one will come out of the cage on his own but will not step up on me while inside. Once outside, I can usually get him to crawl onto me. The pineapple will eventually come out if the other one does, but I have to catch him in order to hold him. I am worried about doing things wrong!!!

If in separate cages, how quickly should I be pushing them etc.? Please help me as I am wanting to do things right... Thanks for taking the time to read this and hopefully respond!
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If you can put them in separate cages, that should help a great deal. It is fine if the cages are right beside each other, and they will probably be less stressed if they are kept that way, at least for a while. Are they clutch mates?

It sounds as if you have the right idea. Let them have as many choices as you possibly can when interacting with you. If you do not absolutely have to force them to do something, don't. Treats work well with green cheeks. Target training is also a great place to start, because if they will target you can get them to go places you wish them to go without having to catch them or force them.


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Hello Nanay,

They are not clutch mates. I called the breeder they originated from and asked. I wanted to make sure, just in case the little original is a female.

Yay! I was worried about separating them and where to put the cages- it is a relief that they can be next to each other. That way they can see each other and still interact some.

I have read in different area that I should not allow them to come out to me on their terms- but on mine. What are your views about this? It seems as if it is more productive to allow them to come out on their own, at least during this very brand new time/relationship!

Also, what are your views regarding the shoulder? The little original likes to play in my long hair and actually fell asleep at the back of my neck yesterday.
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I personally do not believe in the concept of "dominating" birds. I believe they do not intrinsically understand domination because I believe they do not dominate one another in flocks in the wild. Because this is my basic philosophy regarding parrots, this colors all of my views about handling them. I let my birds choose when they want to interact with me except for those times when I must force myself upon them.

The most important thing is that YOU are comfortable with the handling decisions you choose. Your instincts seem good. The birds are already progressing, and you are following your heart.

I allow Shira on my shoulder because she is trustworthy there. However, until I could trust her, I did not let her climb there. I also allow my senegal and my daughter's maximillian pionus on my shoulder, but they are not allowed to climb up there themselves. They must wait for me to offer them my shoulder. This is because of their size. I allow the bourkes, the linnie, the parrotlet, and the green cheek to climb onto my shoulder whenever they want to. The bourkes and the linnie never bite. The parrotlet and the green cheek do sometimes, but they are still small enough that I'm not worried they will hurt me. The linnie is now fully flighted, and she flies to my shoulder whenever she wants to.


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I personally do not believe in the concept of "dominating" birds. I believe they do not intrinsically understand domination because I believe they do not dominate one another in flocks in the wild. Because this is my basic philosophy regarding parrots, this colors all of my views about handling them. I let my birds choose when they want to interact with me except for those times when I must force myself upon them.

The most important thing is that YOU are comfortable with the handling decisions you choose. Your instincts seem good. The birds are already progressing, and you are following your heart.

I allow Shira on my shoulder because she is trustworthy there. However, until I could trust her, I did not let her climb there. I also allow my senegal and my daughter's maximillian pionus on my shoulder, but they are not allowed to climb up there themselves. They must wait for me to offer them my shoulder. This is because of their size. I allow the bourkes, the linnie, the parrotlet, and the green cheek to climb onto my shoulder whenever they want to. The bourkes and the linnie never bite. The parrotlet and the green cheek do sometimes, but they are still small enough that I'm not worried they will hurt me. The linnie is now fully flighted, and she flies to my shoulder whenever she wants to.


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I too believe that you shouldn't dominate birds either nanay, I have to admit I find it very unfair on them.

Oh and by the way, welcome to the forum! haha...

I do let my birds use my shoulder although it is often a reward, my birds love to be there so if I want them to do something good and they do it they get to come right up. My Harris' hawk likes to sit on my head, so I'm pretty sure once you've got some trust there all will be okay!
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Good- that is pretty much my thoughts too. Geez, I really need to come up with names! Usually I don't have any problem coming up with names- this time I am drawing a total blank!!!

The little original will come out. Last night and this morning he is even beginning to "step up" onto my fingers when I put my finger down at his feet and tell him to step up!!! The first few times I had him out he wouldn't step up at all. So, we are making progress.

My little pineapple- well, he is another story! He is much shyer and is going to take longer I think to decide that I am not so bad. I got him to go onto my wrist yesterday when I opened up the top of the cage and he went up. He is pretty unsure as to whether or not I am to be trusted I think. Has a very "ready to get the flock out of here" look on him. After a while he did settle down somewhat and did even do a little bit of preening of his feathers. I put him back shortly after as I really don't want to push it. He is going to take some finesse... But I am ok with that. Heck, I have only had the little gems for just under a week.

Names... I am going to have to go through my crystal book and see if any of the crystals that color match have names that work. I thought of topaz for the little pineapple just now... just an idea, I will chew on it for a bit and see if it fits.
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Congrats! Nice to know everything is going so well.

I love the name Topaz! So beautiful. What about emerald or something for the other? I dunno... I just though being as it's green haha. Other than that there are plenty of naming sites around if you wanna have a look, or you could just use one of our birds names or something, I'm sure we wont mind

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Came up with names and PROGRESS!!!

Well, today was a great day. I came up with names for my little ones. My pineapple is now named "Jasper". Jasper comes in golds, reds, and varigated colors. My little original is named Jade. Jade comes in various shades of green.

Jade came out of his cage this afternoon when I went to give them their afternoon treats. He was very interested in coming out to see me. He is beginning to step up and he even sat snuggled on my chest for about 10 minutes or so and let me scritch his head, neck, and at his shoulders! I actually chose to put him up before he was done as I figured it would be better to end on a good note than when he got antsy!

Jasper is another story... He is very unsure as to whether I am safe or not. He listens to me when I talk to him, he climbs around if I am taking Jade out, but if I open his door or try to give him a treat, either in the cage or through the bars, he runs away. He is definitely going to take more time. Hehehe- that's ok, because I have nothing but time. I have 4 teenagers at home, an 11 month old grandson, and my 82 year old mother! I didn't mention the 2 dogs and my ornery tiel and 2 parakeets (untamed- talk about stubborn!). SO, I have patience galore. I kind of feel sorry for him though- he seems kind of sad. He is definitely much more subdued at this point in time.

Oh, I forgot to mention that little Jade has already figured out how to open the doors to his cage!!! Ugggg.... I am seriously considering going to the pet store and measuring the bars on a cage I saw there that has the opening apparatus' on the OUTSIDE of the doors- NOT accessible to the parrot inside the cage. Unfortunately, I have a feeling the bar spacing is more than 5/8".... that and the fact that it is $358.00.... It is a very nice cage though- made by King's Cages. Here in Alaska, it is virtually impossible to order a cage online. Most places I have contacted won't ship here or shipping is basically as much as the darned cage! Right now I have clips on the doors that won't allow him to lift them up. Little bugger....

All in all, I am very happy with the progress. I just wish I could convince little Jasper that I really am not out to eat him and that it really is very pleasant to be out of the cage. If you all have any other suggestions, I am all ears!
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I said in another post that you should use target training. Reward this with his favourite treat. Or convince him to leave the cage with a nice treat!
Happy to know everything is going great though!

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I think I am going to try strawberries tomorrow. They both seem to love them (can they have the tops by the way?). Jade will take treats from my hand and hopefully I can get Jasper to also.
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I don't give mine the tops just because I wouldn't eat it my self haha!

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Green cheek's heads are pretty large. If you have difficulty getting the cages you want in Alaska, you can go a bit larger than 5/8" bar spacing. I have two King's cages. Which model are you referring to?


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I'm not sure. I need to stop in and look at it again! I think it would be big enough for them both eventually, but not sure. I'll stop by on my way home and re-look at it and let you know!

I also scheduled them a health exam with one of our avian vets for Thursday. May have her clip a nail on Jade for DNA testing, but not for sure yet.
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There wasnt any model number on the cage. I re-looked at the bar spacing though and it's probably 5/8. I'm sure it would be fine, but not sure how I'd get it in my house! It's about 4.5' tall not including the casters it sits on and it's very heavy. It's been there forever though, so I'm sure I could talk them down in cost.... Still undecided. It's a very nice cage.

My daughter thinks I'm going crazy!
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I recently got a King's cage that hadn't sold. It had been sent by mistake and then sat in the store for a long time. Then it was slightly damaged. Unfortunate for the store, but great for me. I LOVE the cage.


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Does your daughter know about the red ones yet nanay?

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Red cages? no


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Hehe! I'm sure you said in another thread she must never know! Haha.

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She wants every color.


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