I take it the forum is an international village of many different countries and different laws and not a place beholden to Australian laws.
Not as if Australia is the epitome of caring for its native flora and fauna. The same laws of Australia led to the extermination of the Tasmanian Tigers among a host of other creatures. Not to talk about bring in of rabbits, foxes and cane toads that decimated the remnants left of her wildlife and birds.
So nice to talk protectively of wild birds and cluck the tongue on other countries. How much of the original forests and woodlands are left in Queensland ? 20% 10% ? Or even less than that?
How nice to say wild birds and beasties must be left in the wild while most of their original habitat been turned into sugarcane fields, corn fields, fruit plantations and town and city surburbs for the better enjoyment of Australians.
I felt not the slightest bit of guilt or shame at my having of Yingshiong the shama or Libai with me. Their lives would have continued without me. But they would be nameless and kept in a tiny cages just to sing.
With me, they became known and went on to show the thousands who kept those song birds in tiny cages that they sing so much better when treated with kindness and understanding. While I wrote in English, I was surprised and delighted when more than 2/3 of visitors to my webpages came from non English speaking countries such as Indonesia and Thailand poring via translator software on what I wrote.
I like to think what I have done with Yingshiong and Libai made a big difference, for the better, to their brethens kept with others.
Keeping of shama and greenleaf birds in South East Asia is very legal and common by the way as Australian laws do not apply here.
So my relating of how even adult wild birds can be tamed and bonded with kindness , with photos and videos and accounts that cannot be disputed, been turned into tirade that wild birds be left in the wild according to Aussie laws.
As for hand raised birdies I suggest to folks with open mind to read this article by Jane Hollander
That article was titled "Congos and Timnehs, Is There A Difference?
But in reading that, I found it was more than that, relating the post natal caring of the birdies by its birdie parents that make a HUGE difference.
That many of the problems with captive bred and raised birdies did not exist with captured birds. That trend extended to cockatoos too.
But of course, people with vested interests in selling 'handraised' birds that they make out to have greater value will always want to tell you that is the smartest and the best thing you can do.
With that, I seen with sickness in my heart so many baby birds sold in birdshops with eyes still close as 'handraising' them will make them fond of you. A big lie fostered by people with vested interests.
I wrote a few years ago of that in my Livejournal and the comments of others with problems on handraised birds were so disturbing.
I do believe properly supervised sustained taking of wild caught birds is essential if we want our parrots to continue to exist in the wild.
I used to grow sunflowers in my garden when I was in Oman. I found out Riamfada loved to eat the sunflower seeds from the heads. At the same time, wild Indian RingNecks came into my garden to eat those sunflower seeds. I only had a few plants. I build feeding stations for those IRNs stocking them with store bought sunflower seeds. But those IRNs did not want my feeding station and wanted my plants.
With regret, I had to tie bags around the head of the plants so my Riamfada can have those seeds.
I, who love those wild IRNs , had to do that for the greater love of my Riamfada.
What if I was a farmer who had to feed my family and wild parrots, with their habitats gone from land I took from them, came to feed on my crops?
If those wild parrots have a value to me by my being able to sell some of them for money for food on the table of my family, I would let them live. But if they have no value to me as folks campaigned to urge all wild caughts to be banned from sale, I might have to kill them and eat them.
As what happened in Africa.
And sell the red tail feathers and their heads for the money I can get.
Read this very depressing report Smuggler caught with heads of 353 african gray parrots
Have you by fighting and urging to have blanket ban on wild caughts any responsibility for the heads of 353 ?
This campaign against wild caughts seemed by be championed by breeders of parrots in the first world. So that perhaps they have a monopoly on supply to the pet trade. They then urge folks to join in the campaign., and to contribute money to that cause.
As did I, before that report above opened my eyes. I have to acknowledged my earlier voice against wild caught trade and my money contribution contributed to that 353 heads,and more uncounted.
Nevermind the fate or the heads of the parrots themselves as long as their profit margins are good to them.
Btw, the BP2s, M2s and U2s in my photo were all captive bred and raised. And legal too unlike the innuendoes made. All very bitey until I showed my friend otherwise. Took me about 30 minutes to talking to them Before I approached them. So simple to me. So incomprehensible to my friend and those flogging handraised birdies.
I rather go smell roses and play with my birdies.
This is my last posting in this thread so any others can continue on to say what I think they will say. I just do not wish to read anymore of that
as I know that they will say.
Long live the handraised, and down with any and every wild caughts.