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Is this normal for a GCC?

My sweet Libby will be two years old this coming February, so she's about 1-1/2 yrs. old now. She is very gradually going through her second molt (her first one was this time last summer, with no problems).

She did have full flight until recently, when she started getting more "cocky" and a little more nippy. I clipped her wings, and she settled down quite nicely. Until the last week or so.

She has been actually biting me if she gets the opportunity -- not nips, bites -- and this is new for her. When I open her cage door, she actually RUNS out as fast as she can and lunges at my hand. I try to avoid most of the bites, as they are quite painful. She still wants to have her head and neck rubbed, but I have to be careful, because sometimes, she'll snap her head around and bite. Her temper seems to flare up and die down, then up again in a matter of seconds.

I know GCC's can be nippy, willful and want to be the boss, but this biting seems to go beyond this.

My question is this: is this change in her personality part of her molting, is she growing into adulthood and this is how GCC's are, or have I done something wrong? She has plenty of play toys and foraging toys (as you all know), separate time with me, away from my Parrotlet (so she won't be jealous), and great food. She's healthy and active, talks up a storm.

Any ideas? Should I worry, wait it out, or get used to her new personality?

(Still think GCC's are the BEST!)

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I think I'd better get back to basics with Libby. I've always approached her, talking to her at normal volume, asking her to step up, cuddling and rubbing her, talking all the while. She's always been loving and sweet, and it never occured to me that she might not WANT to be handled right then.

I just went to her cage, didn't open the door, just stood there, without saying anything, and looked at her. She looked back with a "what's going on?" kind of look, and then she climbed as closed as she could get to my face (through the cage bars) and we stared at each other.

I slowly put one finger up to her head and she bent her head to be rubbed, no trying to bite! I rubbed her head, neck, under her beak and she just closed her eyes like she was loving it. I got close to her beak, she opened it and only touched my finger, no nipping or biting. I whispered softly to her and moved slowly. It was just like old times!

So perhaps, because she's just an active, playful, always-on-the-move kind of bird, I took it for granted that she wouldn't mind on the move, talkative handling. I wasn't rough with her, but maybe I was too.....fast with her?

I'll keep trying this gentler, quieter approach and see how it goes, especially during out-of-cage time. I want her to be really happy -- maybe she was telling me my approach needs to change.

Will post how it goes -- any advice will be welcome and appreciated!

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These Conures are just so unpredictable that I myself still learning something new about them everyday. Could this biting be from her recent wings clipped? She might have been ok with it the first week because it was new and she wasn't sure what was going on and now she is aware that her wings are clipped and is angry about it.

At recent I have been doing recall training with all my Conures. Because they are so active, I just wanted them to burn off some of the excess energy. At one time I could not get my female GCC off the cage without her ripping flesh off my hands, but since this training she is now so much more calm and she flies over to me from her cage on to my finger/arm.

Another thing that it could be and I know you're quite aware of this beacuse I have seen you mentioned this before and that is "hormonal". She might be at a stage now and feel the need to breed and not coping well with her hormone. I don't know much about this but I heard Jenny on about "hormonal" before, maybe when she read this she can help out more.

Cage aggression is something else to think about, it's most unlikely, but possible might develope cage agression. What ever it is I know that once these Conures know you're backing away from their bites, they now know to use it as a weapon to bully you. I hope someone can come up with a good answer for you, like I said I too still learning about them. I am here to share infomations about my Conures with everyone

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oh I didn't see your second post come out. I think it's a good idea starting back from basics, if it's ok the first time then should be fine the second time too.........hopefully.

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Thanks tippa! I know what you mean about how they can learn to bully us! They sure want to rule the roost!

I got so used to her being so sweet and cuddly and my Parrotlet being a nipping diva, that Libby's behavior surprised me. Now my Parrotlet is all sweet and cuddly -- well cuddly for a Parrotlet, anyway!

I just tried my slow and quiet approach to her cage again and she was wonderful! She jammed her head and neck up to the bars for rubbing, so I rubbed and talked almost in a whisper. She never tried to even nip! Can't wait to try some out-of-cage time after dinner and see what happens!

I guess my baby is growing up, so our relationship must grow up too, and I have to respect that.

I appreciate all your suggestions and help -- I'll do anything to ensure her happiness!

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I don't have any experience with GCC, but I can tell you that my super sweet linnie is going through similar behavior changes while molting. He doesn't attack my hand they way you have described, but if he doesn't feel like stepping up he'll go in to bite and if when giving him scritches, I hit a pin feather wrong he will turn to bite.

Good luck!
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Glad to know you may have found a way around it. I would have put it down to hormones or just molting I'm sure she still loves you haha!

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So far, she's doing very well with the slow and quiet approach, I'll see what tomorrow brings. I mustn't take for granted that she wants to be held and cuddled! Plus, I bet her hormones are on overdrive!

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Thanks tippa! I know what you mean about how they can learn to bully us! They sure want to rule the roost!



I appreciate all your suggestions and help -- I'll do anything to ensure her happiness!

If you do anything to ensure her happiness, then why do you cut her wings?

Birds that find themselves to be hapless and unable to move from situation that they normally can almost always resort to biting, and as you know, really biting. You are lucky enough she is a conure and not bigger.

From what I read, is it her trying to bully you?
Or you trying to enforce your values on her and will not want to take no or disagreement from her? In what sense is she being cocky? Perhaps you should really try to read her body language and pay more heed to her.

The only way to read her body language is if you, from your heart and in your heart, give her the respect and courtesy due to her.

Otherwise if you assume yourself to be the commander and the-one-that-must-be-obeyed-or-else , you then will see only and only if she obeyed you whenever you command her. You never will get to see the nuances of her emotions.

Take care. For her and for yourself.

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Shanlung -

"If you do anything to ensure her happiness, then why do you cut her wings?"

Excuse me? Wing clipping is a personal choice, and one I did not make hastily.

The rest of your post sounds more like criticism than advice and assistance, so won't comment any further.

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Sorry.

Have it your way.

I did not know you wanted accolades for all that you do.

My last ever comment on anything that you say.
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Alright - This thread will be closed, but I'm putting in my 2 cents as a moderator. Shanlung, your advice and constructive critique is welcome, but negative criticism or attacks will not be allowed on this forum. Please, everyone, keep things civil on the forum or infractions will be issued.



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