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Since I've been researching Falconry lately I've been thinking about how this training could relate to Parrots.
Ever since I was little (like 10) I've wanted my own Falcon (or raptor of some type) and have envied anyone I saw that worked with birds of prey.
I was reading up today on training wild-caught birds and it got me to thinking about how this training could pertain to us Parrot lovers!
They were talking about training your bird to jump up to your fist and other things and I thought that when I get my larger bird you could easily teach them these things.

This thought process then evolved into me thinking about how people free fly their Parrots (larger Parrots, of course).
How is this any different than if you would fly a Falcon outside? Sure, Parrots aren't predatory birds so you'd have to take that into account but it doesn't mean it'd be unreasonable.

If I got my Grey I would love to be able to free fly it. I mean, I love to just see how much birds enjoy flying and it would be amazing to see them at it outdoors.

As per the obvious you'd have to make sure it wasn't too windy for your birds abilities, there weren't any predatory birds in sight, etc.

Anyways, what do you guys think about this?

I would always be worried about my bird getting lost or hurt or landing somewhere where someone takes them but that's why you take precautions. Outside is a Parrots natural environment and so if they are in top shape, healthy, and good flying weight it shouldn't be a huge issue. Look at Jamieleigh and Dave Womach for example!

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personally, there's too much risk. cars, predators... thing with most birds of prey, theyre at the top of the food chain, parrots are not, so many things will snatch a free flying parrot if they wanted. not worth the risk too much. and if your bird did get lost, a lot of people dont get their birds back... just too much danger for me.... many birds of prey such as peregrines and goshawks and even cooper's hawks will take birds bigger than them. a peregrine, particularly powerful females, can take a big as big as ducks and pheasants, and so can northern goshawk, so even a larger parrot would find its way on the dinner menu. and all these species are surprise and ambush predators, and often you wont see them until last minute. too scary for me. if dally comes outside, she is kept real close on her harness and leash



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I think Amazons are best to use for free flying - check out this video, they're so happy http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=NIelyNpd0AE

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I plan on using a harness and leash with my baby CAG. I would never risk him/her to free flight. But to each his/her own. I would never judge someone that would choose to do it.

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I don't judge , but myself would NEVER free fly a parrot... I am to paranoid about losing them as it is. I freak out if any one even opens a door!!
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I wouldn't use any of my birds though, they too small and they get spooked too easily, no good for free flight.

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Kayla, I am planning to fly my macaw when I get it. However, falconry training is different! The birds only goal is to kill, hence lures etc. what I would do is try to get them jumping to you indoors, and flying across rooms to you, then giving it a shot outside on a harness. Luckily for me the only birds of prey we have can't do much damage to a macaw. I would love to do mine free flight but I don't think I'd do it without it wearing telemetry on its tail. Free flying raptors is more predictable in most cases. Even flying those can be dangerous. I was out hawking with a close friend and his male Harris' got on the soar. He was killed by a flock of gulls mobbing him!!!!!

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Free flying a Grey would be really cool! Sure, every activity has its dangers but I'm sure you would be really careful It's a good idea to start indoors and build such a strong bond that s/he would fly to you for comfort I've flight trained Diego, but would NEVER take him outside, he's way to small and a easy target I take him out in his travel cage in the summer

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Eventually i know daisy will want to get her soon to be macaws to free fly but im too am scared of something happening but then agaiin there are dangers in everything in having them flighted in the house. So i guess its a risk you have to take if you want to do it so bad, i wouldnt judge anybody for trying though
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personally, there's too much risk. cars, predators... thing with most birds of prey, theyre at the top of the food chain, parrots are not, so many things will snatch a free flying parrot if they wanted. not worth the risk too much. and if your bird did get lost, a lot of people dont get their birds back... just too much danger for me.... many birds of prey such as peregrines and goshawks and even cooper's hawks will take birds bigger than them. a peregrine, particularly powerful females, can take a big as big as ducks and pheasants, and so can northern goshawk, so even a larger parrot would find its way on the dinner menu. and all these species are surprise and ambush predators, and often you wont see them until last minute. too scary for me. if dally comes outside, she is kept real close on her harness and leash
That's true, not saying I wouldn't be super paranoid about my bird becoming prey to a hawk or something but the joy of seeing them fly I think would balance out the fear.

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I think Amazons are best to use for free flying - check out this video, they're so happy http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=NIelyNpd0AE
That video was awsome! They definitely looked very happy!

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I plan on using a harness and leash with my baby CAG. I would never risk him/her to free flight. But to each his/her own. I would never judge someone that would choose to do it.

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I don't judge , but myself would NEVER free fly a parrot... I am to paranoid about losing them as it is. I freak out if any one even opens a door!!
That's true, I'm always paranoid about doors opening and such. I would also use a harness on smaller birds but if you had a really good bond with a larger bird that you knew wouldn't take off on you I think it'd be great!

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I wouldn't use any of my birds though, they too small and they get spooked too easily, no good for free flight.
Definitely wouldn't let a bird smaller than a Grey free fly. It'd still be good to recall train smaller birds though incase they DO get out.

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Kayla, I am planning to fly my macaw when I get it. However, falconry training is different! The birds only goal is to kill, hence lures etc. what I would do is try to get them jumping to you indoors, and flying across rooms to you, then giving it a shot outside on a harness. Luckily for me the only birds of prey we have can't do much damage to a macaw. I would love to do mine free flight but I don't think I'd do it without it wearing telemetry on its tail. Free flying raptors is more predictable in most cases. Even flying those can be dangerous. I was out hawking with a close friend and his male Harris' got on the soar. He was killed by a flock of gulls mobbing him!!!!!
That would be fantastic. Oh, and I know the training for a raptor is difference. Just the basics such as flying to you and jumping up and such made me think of parrots! I think free-flying a parrot as long as they are up for it would be just as good. If the bird is bonded to you and is good with recall training you shouldn't have a problem losing it unless it gets blown away if you had taken it out in winds it couldn't handle.
If you do free-fly your Macaw I would love, love, love to see videos!

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Free flying a Grey would be really cool! Sure, every activity has its dangers but I'm sure you would be really careful It's a good idea to start indoors and build such a strong bond that s/he would fly to you for comfort I've flight trained Diego, but would NEVER take him outside, he's way to small and a easy target I take him out in his travel cage in the summer
I think it would be wonderful! I love watching the videos that Jameleigh and Dave post on their blog of their Grey, Macaws, and Galahs free-flying. They look so happy!

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Eventually i know daisy will want to get her soon to be macaws to free fly but im too am scared of something happening but then agaiin there are dangers in everything in having them flighted in the house. So i guess its a risk you have to take if you want to do it so bad, i wouldnt judge anybody for trying though
Exactly, even having flighted birds in the house is dangerous at times. They could be perched on a door that you didn't notice and you close the door on them, the kitchen has tons of dangers, other pets, cords they could get tangled in, etc, etc, etc. It's all about supervision and knowing your bird!



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There's a guy on youtube who lost his CAG!
it's heartbreaking to watch him.
I'll try to find a link if I get chance.
I personally wouldn't risk it.
The wrong gust of wind and their off.
Imagine losing a child and not knowing what happenned to it?
This is the only way I can explain what might be felt, especially losing a potentially long lived bird.
I would suggest If you did this you use expert help and not youtube vids.
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I tried this with Grisi and as some of you may know, she flew away...

I wouldn't risk it. Seems dangerous.
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It takes a special bird to have it free flying - just because it's a grey or a amazon does not mean it can do free flying - you need to know your bird, how close to you he is, he needs to be one of those velcro bird that's bonded to you like 2 magnets.

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There's a guy on youtube who lost his CAG!
it's heartbreaking to watch him.
I'll try to find a link if I get chance.
I personally wouldn't risk it.
The wrong gust of wind and their off.
Imagine losing a child and not knowing what happenned to it?
This is the only way I can explain what might be felt, especially losing a potentially long lived bird.
I would suggest If you did this you use expert help and not youtube vids.
good luck with whatever you decide.
I definitely wouldn't do it on my own just by watching videos and such, I wouldn't want to make any mistakes!

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I tried this with Grisi and as some of you may know, she flew away...

I wouldn't risk it. Seems dangerous.
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It takes a special bird to have it free flying - just because it's a grey or a amazon does not mean it can do free flying - you need to know your bird, how close to you he is, he needs to be one of those velcro bird that's bonded to you like 2 magnets.
Definitely needs to be a velcro bird. I'm not sure I would do it 100% but I've been thinking about it. I know for sure though that I'd be devastated if I lost my bird!



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Some great thoughts and advice here! I plan on getting a harness before I even get my CAG and start getting him/her used to it from day one.

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Definitely a good idea to get them used to a harness asap! I wish I'd started Hermes on his harness wayyyy earlier because now I don't know if he'll take to it!



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when i get my CAG i am going to train it to wear a harness and once i get to the point he will come to me i may let him fly a little outside with harness so i can easily get to him if i need to i am to scared to let him fly like the womachs do but i think a harness is a good idea that way they can stretch their wings and work their wing muscles with out the risk of getting hurt or lost.

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when i get my CAG i am going to train it to wear a harness and once i get to the point he will come to me i may let him fly a little outside with harness so i can easily get to him if i need to i am to scared to let him fly like the womachs do but i think a harness is a good idea that way they can stretch their wings and work their wing muscles with out the risk of getting hurt or lost.
My thinking too.

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Check out this video. I wish there was a bird club like this near me I would take my senegal there everyday.
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That looks fantastic! I was JUST thinking too that it'd be awsome to find somewhere that you could fly your birds indoors that would be a big enough open space! That would be awsome!
I have actually started going to the Pet Parrot Assocation's meetings here so I should ask someone about it there! Maybe the club could rent somewhere some time since the place we have the meetings isn't near big enough.



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