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I've been having some issues with Goober... she's getting old enough that she's starting to become sexually mature. The problem is, she keeps trying to mate with my feet! :hammer: This is the first I've really had to deal with this, and I really want to nip this problem in the bud, before it really becomes an issue.

As it stands, she really only regurgitates, and has tried to mate twice, rubbing her butt all up on my feet When she starts, I tell her no, softly but firmly, and move her away. If she goes right back (which she usually does) I'll say no again, louder this time, and move her back to her play stand. However, this doesn't seem to be making a difference at all

I don't expect a miracle, it's spring time and she's 1 1/2 years old, 2 is when they usually become sexually mature so... it's the time of the year she'll be her worst. I just want to stop this before it becomes an issue and I hope by stopping it now, it wont advance or get worse as the years go by. I really want to keep her well socialized and tolerant of other people, because I plan on getting married and having kids in the next 5 years or so, and can't have an aggressive sexually frustrated macaw in the house



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I haven't had this issue yet, thankfully, but I do believe what you are doing is exactly right. You might even have to go a step further and gently put her inside her cage. If you want to try putting her back in her cage, I'd remove her a couple of times, as you have described first, perhaps, but then put her back in her cage.

I only suggest that because in the end that was finally what worked in getting Roni through her first baby brat stage, but, again, that was not sexual maturity. It was just kind of a "teething" stage. I finally found that if I gave her a few chances, she'd keep trying and maybe stop at however many chances she thought she could get away with, but once I decided that the very first nip would get her immediately back in her cage, and did this probably only 3 or 4 times, the stage passed all together. Of course, it is possible it was just "time" for the stage to pass, lol. It might have had nothing to do with the change in my handling of the situation.

The people I know who have older birds all say they simply ignore the sexual advances. Their birds might be ok to just be put aside and not look at, or they might need to be placed in their cages. I don't know about that. I only know they tell me they simply ignore the birds when they begin the behavior.

I think you DO have to continue to stop her from her physical advances, just as you are doing.
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I'm having the same troubles with my cockatiel, Minnie. She mates with toys, expresses a lot of sexual and aggressive behavior (and aggression is not like her at all) and in addition, has laid seven dud eggs in all.

I'm hoping to find a way to reduce this and not accidentally reward aggressive or inappropriate behaviors that could influence her more permanent attitude and personality later on in her life.

Good luck with Goober, and by the way, I absolutely love the names you have chosen for your birds! They are absolutely adorable!



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Thanks, Abby. Goober has gotten much better, but still has some issues. I hope you have luck with Minnie. Do you let her keep her eggs? And is there a particular type of toy she's mating with?



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I've had the same type of issues with Kiwi (Senegal) I ignore the behaviour completely. The best thing for us, I walk away from him, he doesn't like it but...and he's only one, I can't imagine the terrible twos.

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Jenny: There is one certain toy I've seen her mate (or, masturbate) with. It has white rope and some wooden shapes attached to the rope. It's probably the largest one in her cage. She doesn't do it all the time, but I have seen her do it.

In her last "clutch" of dud eggs, I let her keep them for a while. When I completely scrubbed her cage and washed it down outside that month, I took them out and forgot to put them back in. It seemed as if she didn't mind, and she wasn't super hormonal for a few months. Just recently, she started laying dud eggs again. She has layed six so far this time. (Last time she layed four) She will have them in her little corner and sit on them for long periods of time. Every now and then I'll see her sit on her perches again, and I'll think that she's finally given up on them, but then she'll be sitting on them again a little bit later. I don't want to remove them because I don't want her to try and replace them and risk getting egg bound, but she doesn't seem to give up on them. While she is sitting on her eggs, she gets aggressive if I come near. She hisses, puffs herself up, and rocks back and forth. She also does that right before she starts laying a new "clutch" of dud eggs. She also has RIDICULOUSLY big smelly poos, which I absolutely hate because it is getting all over the place.

I've thought about using transition as an excuse to remove her eggs. She's getting a brand new flight cage for Christmas, and I think once I introduce her to it and she starts hanging in there, I'll remove the eggs, and she possibly won't be bothered by it. I'm not exactly sure if this'll work, but her newest (second) clutch of eggs have been in there for a while. I don't want them to get gross....

What do you think about this, Jenny? Thanks in advance for any help.




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Abby - I would look into buying fake eggs for her, they sell them quite a few places online. As she lays eggs and moves off them temporarily, replace a real egg with a fake one. That way she can roost as long as she wants without worrying about the egg rotting and getting stinky or gross.

If you want to try to eliminate the laying, limit her to 8 hours of daylight. Also give less fresh fruit and veg and less baths until she stabilizes. In the wild, rainy season means an abundance of food and time to breed. So baths and an abundance of fresh foods can trigger breeding season. It may not work, but may be worth a try



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Thanks, I'll be sure to look into buying some fake eggs. That was very helpful, I'm going to limit day light and not give her as many baths. I'm taking to her to the vet tomorrow to get her injured leg/foot checked out, I'll ask the vet more about this while I'm there as well.




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Thanks, I'll be sure to look into buying some fake eggs. That was very helpful, I'm going to limit day light and not give her as many baths. I'm taking to her to the vet tomorrow to get her injured leg/foot checked out, I'll ask the vet more about this while I'm there as well.
Glad to help And yes, I think the vet could definitely give some good tips



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I hope so. If we even get there....>.>

(Look at last post about Minnie's leg)




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Abby - I would look into buying fake eggs for her, they sell them quite a few places online. If you want to try to eliminate the laying, limit her to 8 hours of daylight. Also give less fresh fruit and veg and less baths until she stabilizes. In the wild, rainy season means an abundance of food and time to breed. So baths and an abundance of fresh foods can trigger breeding season. It may not work, but may be worth a try
I'm definitely interested in your advice re: light/baths/chow! I'll start applying some aspects of your suggestions at once! Our KRYKKYT has been getting bad about faux-gurgitating (she makes the initial motion but thankfully doesn't actually "bring up the subject") and then tries to straddle my arm -- she looks more like she's trying to lay an egg than attempting to "pleasure" herself, as it were. However, she hasn't ever produced any eggs, dud or otherwise, so would bringing in fake eggs help or just make the situation worse?

Another behavioral change of late involves her flipping over when given even a light poke in the side, which would be okay if she didn't get WAY too rough with her claws and beak once she's upside-down. Not to mention that getting her to release her grasp on your pinky finger is no simple matter, either!

(It's ALMOST worth it all for the absolutely hilarious sight of her wildly-waddling form toppling over, looking just like Batman's feathered foe The Penguin totally wasted on Old Crow!)

It's just a shame that our eternally frisky budgikeet BooBoo isn't about 4 times bigger -- he'd be absolutely delighted to help solve the "problem" for all involved!!! Instead, he divides much of his spare time between molesting the rope toy in his penthouse and binge-eating everything in sight so he can apply the "raw materials" towards his ever-growing organic sculpture which we've taken to calling "Puke Mountain".

Oh, one last query on the subject: as a rule, how long should we expect KRYKKYT's heat sessions/seasons to last, from the first indications of "needing it" through the last ebbings of obsessive behavior?

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I'm definitely interested in your advice re: light/baths/chow! I'll start applying some aspects of your suggestions at once! Our KRYKKYT has been getting bad about faux-gurgitating (she makes the initial motion but thankfully doesn't actually "bring up the subject") and then tries to straddle my arm -- she looks more like she's trying to lay an egg than attempting to "pleasure" herself, as it were. However, she hasn't ever produced any eggs, dud or otherwise, so would bringing in fake eggs help or just make the situation worse?

Another behavioral change of late involves her flipping over when given even a light poke in the side, which would be okay if she didn't get WAY too rough with her claws and beak once she's upside-down. Not to mention that getting her to release her grasp on your pinky finger is no simple matter, either!

(It's ALMOST worth it all for the absolutely hilarious sight of her wildly-waddling form toppling over, looking just like Batman's feathered foe The Penguin totally wasted on Old Crow!)

It's just a shame that our eternally frisky budgikeet BooBoo isn't about 4 times bigger -- he'd be absolutely delighted to help solve the "problem" for all involved!!! Instead, he divides much of his spare time between molesting the rope toy in his penthouse and binge-eating everything in sight so he can apply the "raw materials" towards his ever-growing organic sculpture which we've taken to calling "Puke Mountain".

Oh, one last query on the subject: as a rule, how long should we expect KRYKKYT's heat sessions/seasons to last, from the first indications of "needing it" through the last ebbings of obsessive behavior?
What kind of bird is KRYKKYT? I wouldn't introduce fake eggs unless she lays them, otherwise she might get broody and protective of them for no real reason, ya know? The fake eggs mainly serve as a way to prevent overlaying. The falling over thing sounds hilarious Goober loves to play on her back! But it's nothing 'sexual' she just plays on her back. Birds don't really go into 'heat' per se - they will follow a breeding season but many species will breed year round, so depending on her environment it may be a constant concern, which is why limiting light exposure and the rest can be really beneficial



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What kind of bird is KRYKKYT?

I think they've mentioned before that it was a conure, and my brain is saying jenday or nanday... sounds familiar

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What kind of bird is KRYKKYT? I wouldn't introduce fake eggs unless she lays them. The fake eggs mainly serve as a way to prevent overlaying.
That's what I figured. Worth asking though...

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I think they've mentioned before that it was a conure, and my brain is saying nanday... sounds familiar
Bingo!

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yay! I was right

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