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A&E vs. HQ

This is the same cage, both with free shipping, one just costs less than the other.

The A&E ($367): http://www.pollysperch.com/products/...-Top-Cage.html

The HQ ($419): http://www.mybirdcage.com/victorian_parrot_cages.html


Which would you go with? HQ or A&E? And why?
Also...is that size acceptable for a Congo African Grey? (The next size up is like over $100 more...)




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I wish I could help you but I don't have either of these brands I use Liberta

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They're pretty much completely comparable - both very good companies, I would go with what's cheaper. The only differences is the A&E doesn't open the top hatch like the HQ, with the perch? And the A&E lock is a little easier for a parrot to open. However, my experience with those cages? Putting in that tip top perch is a pain in the ^%&@# lol it's gotta go on just the right spot to fit tightly, not slide, but you almost have to force it open to get it in there.



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I heard that sometimes with those cages that can open at the top, birds with open them and get their heads stuck and suffocate. There are ways to keep it closed I'm sure, if you're inventive. I'd figure a way. Are they the right size for one, in your opinion?




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I heard that sometimes with those cages that can open at the top, birds with open them and get their heads stuck and suffocate. There are ways to keep it closed I'm sure, if you're inventive. I'd figure a way. Are they the right size for one, in your opinion?
The other problem I've seen, which is more common, is if you push it too widely open the brackets will break and you can't prop it any more.

I think they're a great size, Abby



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Seriously? I might just not open it at all. That's not really a feature I really want or need, I just like the Victorian look of it.

I'm glad it's the right size.




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You can always get a Libby Castle. Blue or Green are on sale for $316, with free shipping.

http://www.bird-supplies.net/conure-castle.htm



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Abby,
From everything anyone tells me A&E and HQ cages are both manufactured in China, probably by the same people. There really is no reason whatsoever to consider one better than the other when you consider manufacturing.

Look at the features and choose the features you like best. MY HQ cages will NOT hold Ashlynn, because she can open the "latches" that are supposed to hold the feeder cup doors shut. I like my HQ cages, but some birds can figure out how to open those locks. They are just circles of metal that fall down over the feeder cup doors. It doesn't matter if the bird is large or small, if it can figure out the latch it can get out. There was a member on the linnie forum whose lineolated parakeets figured out how to open the latches in significantly less time that it took Ashlynn to figure out the latches.

I really like the HQ cages, and I bought four cages with those types of latches. Most of my birds have no desire to open the latches.

I believe that the A&E cages do NOT have that type of latch. A&E cages also have a similar little piece of rectagular metal that falls down over the top of the entry doors. This is a safety feature in case your door latch ever breaks, which has actually happened to me. That little piece of metal safety latch drives me crazy, so if I ever get an A&E cage I probably won't install it, but it is actually a very nice added safety measure.

I have tops that open on 3 out of 6 cages, but I never open them. Like you, I heard that it is very likely that a bird can dislocate the perch that holds the top open and hang itself when the doors fall back together. If you WANT to open those up, I would recommend that you always secure them open with something additional other than the perches that are supposed to keep them open. However, I never open mine. They are just there. I liked the cages for other reasons, and the openings in the tops came with the cages.

Sometimes the cage tops that open have the cage bars oriented in such a way that it is very difficult to hang toys from the tops of the cage. Actually, some of the cage tops that do not open up do, too. I would recommend that you look at the orientation of the cage bars on the top of the cage to see if you will have many choices when hanging stuff from the top of the cage. I have two cages in which there are few places to hang toys, and that is a pain.

Ashlynn does NOT try to tear up the cage bars, but some greys are really hard on cage paint. The bar spacing is ok for a grey on the cages you are asking about, and the size is great, too. Some people will insist you need a larger cage, but from my experience with Ashlynn, that size is fine. There was a gal on the linnie forum who has more than one grey who ended up getting alluminum cages for her greys because her greys were too rough on the powder coated paint. I hope Ashlynn doesn't take after them as she gets older. She is still a baby.


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Do you mean stainless steel cages?
Oh, how I'd love one! But that A&E cage I showed you, in a stainless steel version, it was like $1000 or something. I just can't afford that. If it becomes a problem, I will definitely look into it, however. My birds are out of their cages ALL THE TIME, so hopefully it will not become an issue. I hope the same for Ashlynn.




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Ha, ha, Bob, "Libby's castle" -- that's funny!

On Libby's A&E Conure Castle, the feeder doors have a round knob that slides to open the latch. The knob can be turned, which firmly locks the latch and it can't be slid open.

Also, the top does not open. It's in two pieces, but it screwed shut. I didn't want an open top anyway.

The bars are very thick and heavy-duty.

Both the cages you've shown are beautiful, Abby! Hard to choose which one to get!

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I did look at a "Libby's Castle" and I like it, but I think I like these better.




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Abby,
King's cages makes a new line of alluminum cages, half-way in price between powder coated and stainless steel. They are pretty light weight, so my bird store doesn't recommend them, even though they do recommend most King's cages. However, the gal on the Linnie Forum who bought them is very happy with them, and doesn't think they are too light weight.

I once ordered a cage against the advice of the fellow from the bird store, because I thought I knew my own bird better than he did. The cage turned out to be a horrible match for the bird I thought I knew, but in the end, the bird I thought wouldn't use it all uses the entire cage and loves it. They just want to make us look like fools.

I'm not recommending the alluminum cages to you - or not recommending them for that matter. I just mentioned them because I have read posts from someone whose greys do chip off the powder coating, but I think that is an individual trait as opposed to a species quirk.

If I get a new cage for Ashlynn, unless I get the alluminum one, which I am considering, I'll probably go with an A&E because of the latches - or a King's, also because of the latches. Or perhaps HQ has changed their latches or will, and if they would, I also like HQ.


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I don't see a lock on the feeding doors on the HQ or the A&E I posted...Do you?




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http://www.aecageco.com/Victorian_Ca...op_Cage_2.html

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Try looking at this link. I believe that is the manufacturer's website, and the cage you are looking at. Under the picture of the cage is a circle. If you click on the circle, it shows you a picture of the latch for the food cups for the A&E cage.


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Ah, ok. Thank you!




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Abby, the A&E cage you like it the exact size as Libbys Castle, only hers has a storage space underneath. The cage is only $316 if you get it on Green or Blue. Good for me as I wanted a cage in Green anyway.



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Sorry, by bad, didn't realize the one you like has an open top.



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http://www.hqpetcages.com/GB93223A.html

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That link should show you the feeder door locks for the HQ model. When you click on that page, you will see little numbers at the bottom right of the picture. Click on number 6. It will be a close up of the locks.


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I can't really see them...Are you saying, Nanay, that there IS locks on the HQ for sure? In that particular size?




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Abby,
I added to the original post because the link didn't do exactly what I thought it would do.

When you click on the link, you will see 6 tiny numbers at the bottom of the picture of the cage. Click on the number 6, and a big picture of the round discs they call locks will appear. You can see that they are just discs that fall down over the food dish doors. These are exactly like my HQ cages, and Ashlynn could get out of those.

HQ was supposed to be changing that part of their cage design, but it looks as if they haven't yet. Maybe it was a rumor that they were going to.


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