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New diagnosis for Miss Chanel

About a month ago, I posted about a possible eye infection. It turned out that she had some sort of trauma above her left eye and pinnies were the cause of her scratching the eye area. It cleared, but then about 2 weeks ago the baldness started again under her left eye and looked worse. Yesterday I took her to the vet and she, in simple terms, most likely has an allergy to my budgie! Miss Chanel had a sinus infection when she was a baby but it may have left scar tissue around her sinus area. It may have become inflated because of the dust from Miss Kauai. So, the vet said to separate Miss chanel from Miss Kauai. I have to "paint" her left eye with bac neo poly ophthalmic ointment every 12 hours along with a dose of doxycycline every 12 hours. The painting of the eye was pretty easy, but she fought me on the doxycycline (red medicine flew around my sink). I return to the vet in a week to check her progress.

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Oh I'm glad you've gotten to the bottom of it!

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Hmmmm, an allergy to a single budgie sounds a bit improbable but let's hope the vet is right. Doxy can be medicated in their water if you get the capsules instead of the compounded syrup (much easier on the bird and you as well as cheaper that way and works just as well).
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OMG, That would really be horrible for me since my girls are such good friends! I am so sorry. I guess if there is a trial separation period and it goes away, then if you have them together again and it comes back, you know it is true. I wonder if Mina and Chanel are related. Mina's parents were Fiona and Forrest.

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OMG, That would really be horrible for me since my girls are such good friends! I am so sorry. I guess if there is a trial separation period and it goes away, then if you have them together again and it comes back, you know it is true. I wonder if Mina and Chanel are related. Mina's parents were Fiona and Forrest.
Miss Chanel's parents are mint and mollie. Her bro, Rangel , has offspring. Miss Chanel is not good friends with miss Kauai although I think that the presence of another bird will be missed. I'm going to leave the radio on for while I'm at work.

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I'm sorry to hear again about Miss Chanel's eye issue.
What a pity that they have to be separated.
Can't you imagine to get another linnie for Miss Chanel and a budgie for Miss Kauai?
I hope the eye will recover soon.
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I think it is odd because Cherie has tons of budgies.

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The vet guessed that the initial sinus problem began because cockatiels were in the same room as Miss chanel when she was a baby. I don't think that she had any contact with budgies until she came to live with Miss Kauai. Just like people, assuming that it is an allergy, it didn't start until later in life. She's such a good patient. She gets mad when I grab her but forgives me right after.

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Well, it's the concept of allergy that is questionable because, as far as I know (and this was said to me by two different AVs so I researched it after and confirmed it was indeed so), nobody really knows if parrots actually do have allergies. Usually, when AVs say 'allergy' is just a default kind of diagnosis because they can't find anything else.
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Mina and Chanel came from the same place and they did share a room with budgies and cockatiels, as well as irns. I guess you couldnt have a cockatiel and linnie as a pet then?

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My vets explanation was more complicated than what I explained. He gave an explanation of old world vs new world species. I think it's on the website Thebirdclinic.com. I know when you board at the bird store next door the birds are separated old vs new too.

Ps I have to brag how smart miss Chanel is- she fixed my computer resolution. The font was so small I could barely read it - I had to use my phone ( not a big screen either!) to post and respond. Miss Chanel stepped on something and poof I can read what is on my screen!

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My vets explanation was more complicated than what I explained. He gave an explanation of old world vs new world species. I think it's on the website Thebirdclinic.com. I know when you board at the bird store next door the birds are separated old vs new too.

Ps I have to brag how smart miss Chanel is- she fixed my computer resolution. The font was so small I could barely read it - I had to use my phone ( not a big screen either!) to post and respond. Miss Chanel stepped on something and poof I can read what is on my screen!
The old world vs new world thing is usually referring to macaws being 'allergic' to cockatoos. I haven't heard about it when it comes to other species?

Also, that's hilarious! I usually find things out by trial and error... or google! I'm terrible

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Hi Daisy, yes most of the examples the vet gave were in reference to the larger birds, but I guess it's also true of our small gems. Miss Chanel has a follow up visit on Sat, so I'll find out more. I'm not sure if I'm imagining it, or if it is wishful thinking, but she doesn't seem to be scratching as much.

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Let us know how you vet visit goes And that's great she's not scratching as much!

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Ahhh, but what the macaws get from the cockatoos is not an allergy but the avian equivalent of bird breeders disease (hypersensitivity pneumonitis) and it only happens when there are too many birds all housed together without proper hygiene, air circulation and filtration systems (air purifiers). A single bird kept in a clean environment with normal air circulation would not get it from a tiny budgie (there just isn't enough exposure).
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This is a very interesting discussion. It makes me concerned about housing my three in the same room.

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Is a parrotlet old world or new world? Just curious

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A plet is new world (the old world equivalent of this American species are the lovebirds) but, like I said, this is something that used to happen and it was because of the unhealthy way birds used to be kept. It hardly ever happens any more and it's even more rare for pet birds because people don't keep them in crowded and unsanitary conditions It's the poop that does it, not the dander or dust) plus almost every bird keeper has air purifiers for the room where the birds are kept during the winter months.
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A plet is new world (the old world equivalent of this American species are the lovebirds) but, like I said, this is something that used to happen and it was because of the unhealthy way birds used to be kept. It hardly ever happens any more and it's even more rare for pet birds because people don't keep them in crowded and unsanitary conditions It's the poop that does it, not the dander or dust) plus almost every bird keeper has air purifiers for the room where the birds are kept during the winter months.
It is the poop that dries and turns to dust? Is that what you mean?

I vacuum my bird room once a week and change the paper every other day but don't have an air purifier.

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It is the poop that dries and turns to dust? Is that what you mean?

I vacuum my bird room once a week and change the paper every other day but don't have an air purifier.
Yep, that's exactly what causes the disease: the poop dries up, it aerosolizes (microscopic pieces of it become airborne) and the birds (or people) breathe them in. These particles deposit on the inner lining of the lungs and the body reacts to the proteins in them, inflaming the alveoli and voila! bird breeders disease!

I change the papers every day, scrape and sweep the floors twice a day, mop them once and have two air purifiers running day and night all the time unless the weather is good when I have the fans in the windows running (one sucks air out and the other throws it in) but I have a lot of birds. It all depends on the number and size of the birds, the size of the room and the air movement in it (meaning an open plan area would have more circulation than a room with the door shut all the time which is what happens in my birdroom)
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