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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 11-08-2015, 10:23 PM Thread Starter
 
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um so i got two cockatiels coz in my area we have to get two

i noticed lately that they keep biting at each other, and sometimes i would hear it all the way in my room
So im considering on seperating them. i also have a friend who is pretty experienced with cockatiels, and he advised me to seperate them apparently coz it will also be easier for them to like me
but then, i noticed, when they are seperate, like when one of them is outside and when one of them is inside, they would cry a lot as if they want to be together...(altho it does stop after a while)

what do you guys think?
shud i seperate them or smth
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Hello welcome to the forum, the only time I'd separate birds is if I saw some serious fighting and feathers being yanked out of their bodies. If you see the birds harming each other then separate them into their own cages but let them out together for play time when you can sit in the room and watch what they are doing.

I have seen many squabbling birds who are separated into their own cages come out for play time and get along well together. Eventually both birds end up in one cage and you won't see any more fighting.

Make sure there are 2 or 3 food dishes and 2 water dishes in their cage if you keep them together this can help keep them from fighting over food if one bird is being dominant and wants its own dish and doesn't want to share.





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well yes i hvent rly seen any feathers being plucked so i guess i shdnt be worried...

but how do i tame them tho? i saw on a diff thread, it says to seperate them during training lyk take one out nd bring it into a diff room...
how do i do tht when they cry and cry when seperated?
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You could try and train them both at the same time.... I'll tag Clive for you and see if he has some training advice for you and your birds. He's a pro at cockatiels and training.


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Thanks Mr Peepers.
I am no expert. Just have a little bit of knowledge with Tiels. And do not do much in the way of training. More like they decide and I work with that.

First I guess is.
Welcome to the forum and bird guardianship.
I do welcome the laws that say you have to have more than one bird. Where this is fair on the human or not is debatable. And there are a lot of Happy Single birds in captivity.
Is this your first time with birds?
The bad news! Sometimes some birds do not like each other. And at best may learn to tolerate each other. Other times one may bully the other.
Only you by reading or learning to read their body language may be the best to decide on how to proceed.
The most times you will see it advised to get one bird work with that for a time, then add the second one.
Getting two at the same time and working them both can be done, if the circumstances are right.
You have also read that it is often said to work one at a time in a separate room. As the other would be a distraction.
You do not mention how long you have had these two.
Time and patience are on your side, let them settle and adjust to you. Birdy time is an unknown.
I have one female who was aviary born and parent raised, and who is clam around me.
I have another I even helped her mum feed her and something like 2.5yrs later is still stand offish.
I also have a young male, he came in at 6mt old, due to him bullying the Tiel they got him for to keep it company. So that one failed badly.
Here he is sweet as, loves cuddles and hanging out with Indy, who used to be an attack Tiel.


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Thanks Mr Peepers.
I am no expert. Just have a little bit of knowledge with Tiels. And do not do much in the way of training. More like they decide and I work with that.

First I guess is.
Welcome to the forum and bird guardianship.
I do welcome the laws that say you have to have more than one bird. Where this is fair on the human or not is debatable. And there are a lot of Happy Single birds in captivity.
Is this your first time with birds?
The bad news! Sometimes some birds do not like each other. And at best may learn to tolerate each other. Other times one may bully the other.
Only you by reading or learning to read their body language may be the best to decide on how to proceed.
The most times you will see it advised to get one bird work with that for a time, then add the second one.
Getting two at the same time and working them both can be done, if the circumstances are right.
You have also read that it is often said to work one at a time in a separate room. As the other would be a distraction.
You do not mention how long you have had these two.
Time and patience are on your side, let them settle and adjust to you. Birdy time is an unknown.
I have one female who was aviary born and parent raised, and who is clam around me.
I have another I even helped her mum feed her and something like 2.5yrs later is still stand offish.
I also have a young male, he came in at 6mt old, due to him bullying the Tiel they got him for to keep it company. So that one failed badly.
Here he is sweet as, loves cuddles and hanging out with Indy, who used to be an attack Tiel.
yes, it is my first time lol
they r both 4 months old, nd i had them for almost 2 mnths alrdy...they r pretty calm jst tht i can see they hesitate to come to me (they tend to look at each other befor goin near me for the millet)
the breeder i got em frm said they r frm the same clutch
my other concern is tht the other one tends to bully the other a lot, lyk blocking the other frm the feeder (altho there are two feeders)

i was jst wondering how to tame 1 at a time, bcoz when one is out of the cage, they both cry for each other (altho i did notice they stop after a while, but their crest is full up)
nd when they realize im nt taking them back to the cage, they fly off the perch/stick

thanks for the reply tho
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Being siblings it should only be sibling rivalry.
Start by trying to tame/train the more aggressive one, first.
There are lots of resources online that should help you.
Take your time, let them adjust to you being around then close, then on you. Take very small steps and offer rewards for any positive response. I tend to spoil my guys and ask very little from them. Do a little research on Positive Reinforcement Training. Stay away from the site Bird Tricks, they will mis inform you. Barbara Heidenreich is very good and has a lot of information on training and handling.
With the feeders can you put food on a tray/trays, this may easy the tensions, it may not as well. But some birds are more comfortable eating off trays or even the ground.
Which does bring up another point. When they are even a little unsure, feel not totally safe they will tend to stay high up. Once they are at home so to speak they will be happy to forage on the floor. You have already picked up on the crest language. And these are very good indicators. Timing of training sessions is another point. Like when they are resting normally just after mid day leave them to rest.


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hi thanks for all your replies

update: ive had them for almost 3 months now (they r 4 months old), so far they step up on my finger when i offer a millet behind it.
lyk the only way for them to eat the millet is to get on my finger, so theyd go on my finger.
bt thts jst bout it. they dnt go at all when theres no treat, nd they get so scared of my hands they back off.

ive been looking at training methods, nd all i see is tht usually the cockatiel is on a perch, outside the cage.
i cnt even get them out the cage

does anyone hav an advice on a more effective method?
theyre pretty comfortable with me around...when im in front of the cage they walk up nd look at me.
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Try to keep bribing them with little chunks of millet don't offer a large chunk because they will fill up which will cause them not to want to bother with you.

Try placing your hand in the cage very very very slowly with a tiny bit of millet, if they come to eat it praise them and then slowly move your hand back towards the door a little distance and offer more millet. They should come to your hand for the millet so you will slowly be able to lead them out of the door.

Place a perch just outside the cage door and you can clamp a little chunk of millet on the perch and let them make their own minds up about coming out to eat it.

3 months being cage bound and starting out a new life with you is scary to them, their cage is their safety zone so they will always want to go back there. Encourage them slowly.

The main thing when training is to not move quickly when near the cage, move slowly especially with your hands as swift movement can spook them, talk softly and don't have people or distractions around the cage and room where you train them.

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Thank you Mr Peepers.
You made some very valid points.
The one about slow movements is, so important.
When people want to touch Alex, I have to keep saying when you offer a finger or hand, move with slow movements. If they don't he will back away and take a few mins to resettle. put up a finger or hand with forced slow movement and he most times just steps up for them. They do not get to stroke him though.
It takes bird time for them to become relaxed and that takes positive experience for them.


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