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Talking New form member (and some bird help please)!

Hello, my name is Gracelyn but some people call me Grace.

I love animals, especially birds and horses and I currently own one bird. She is a female cockatiel named Penelope! (pics coming soon). But besides introducing myself I also wanted to ask you guys a question which was what bird is right for me?

I've been wanted to get a second bird for a while and I have money so I have really been considering getting another. Here is a little bit about me and my living situation plus what I'm looking for. I'm a 12 year old homeschooled girl and I love animals. I used to take horseback riding lessons with rescue horses whom had problems but due to getting braces soon my family can't afford them ) so I'm used to getting thrown off, bit, etc. I literally got bit by an evil conure a few days ago 3 times. He was walking to me and just bit me for no reason. I have a lot of time on my hands and I am very well ready for a commitment like another bird.

I'm looking for a cuddly intelligent companion to be a long time friend. I would love to be able to take him/her to places and I'm willing to spend the time training him/her. (depending on the species I want to teach it a few tricks for fun). I'm not looking for another cockatiel, definitely not a hell conure (sarcastically speaking, not to offend anyone). I was wanting something bigger than a conure/cockatiel. Talking is not the most important feature but I suppose that would be cool.

Thank you very much for reading this and I hope maybe you guys would have on idea what is a good second bird for me.
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Hi

I was homeschooled as well, and got my first bird when I was 11. I have some questions for you to help us help you

1) how large is your monthly income? How much do you have in savings for emergency vet bills and annual exams? What is your monthly budget for healthy food and toys, etc? What is your start-up budget (bird, cage, toys, food, initial vet visit, disease tests, etc)?

2) what is your housing situation like? Where will you quarantine your new bird? How close do your neighbors live? How sensitive are they, and your family, to noise? How much mess can your family handle? Does anyone in the family have allergies? How important will it be for your bird to get along with the rest of your family? Do you have other pets?


3) What is your plan for the bird when you go to college? How much will you be able to save up between now and graduation to be sure that you can always afford your choice of housing (aka bird friendly housing) after college?

4) How important is it that your new bird accept new people (a future spouse and children?)

5) What specifically is it about Conures that you don't like? That will help us know which other species NOT to recommend.




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Q) how large is your monthly income? How much do you have in savings for emergency vet bills and annual exams? What is your monthly budget for healthy food and toys, etc? What is your start-up budget (bird, cage, toys, food, initial vet visit, disease tests, etc)?

A) I don't know the exact amount of money but my parents will help. I get 20+ dollars every month and a lot of money saved in the bank but for some reason I end up never spending it, usually my parents do. (I'm spoiled, don't judge). What I usually do is get a bunch of pellets/seeds. Plus we have fruits and veggies all the time because I eat a lot of them and we are doing paleo soon. Right now depending on if it is really right for me I could spend 400+ right now, but I am willing to save for a few years to get that big start up cost (beginning vet bills, bird, cage, lots of toys which I will replace, etc).

Q) what is your housing situation like? Where will you quarantine your new bird? How close do your neighbors live? How sensitive are they, and your family, to noise? How much mess can your family handle? Does anyone in the family have allergies? How important will it be for your bird to get along with the rest of your family? Do you have other pets?

A) I live in a nice sized house, but it's tall. The den goes up to 20 ft with big windows so that gets me nervous. Also an nice flat backyard with no trees sadly. It's a subdivision. I plan to keep it inside in a nice cage. The occasional screaming is alright, but my family cannot handle 24/7 screaming all the time. I have allergies but I own a dusty cockatiel and I'm fine with her. My mom is the same. I would really really really love a parrot I can let people hold and pet. I would love to take it to places and let maybe even children hold it. I don't want a 1 person bird. We have two dogs (besides the harmless bearded dragon) and they are scared about the cockatiel. They kept on sniffing her and she had enough of it so she nipped their noses and they learned their lesson. lol

Q) What is your plan for the bird when you go to college? How much will you be able to save up between now and graduation to be sure that you can always afford your choice of housing (aka bird friendly housing) after college?

A) I don't know if the bird will live that long (depending on what species I'm recommended and if I get one), but it would probably be kept at my parents house. I'm wanting a collage that is not far away. I don't know how much I can save, it depends if I have a job and what the future holds. Once I graduate collage until I can get my own house and I'm in a relationship I'll be at my parents house where my future bird is.

Q) How important is it that your new bird accept new people (a future spouse and children?)

A) To me very important. Like I said before, I'm wanting a sweet bird that can be socialized by anyone. (of corse me being the fav person ) It would be nice to go to maybe even basketball games (not sure if possible) or to petco (aka animal hell)

Q) What specifically is it about Conures that you don't like? That will help us know which other species NOT to recommend.

A) I kinda joke around about conures but they are really one person birds and are nippy/rude. Plus they hate toes. I like my toes.
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You mentioned you want a bird larger than a cockatiel or Conure. In most cases, $400 isn't going to even buy a bird larger than that, much less the things that go with it. Also, $20/month isn't going to cover a healthy diet for a larger bird, much less even one vet visit (I usually pay $90 just to walk in the door, plus $60 for gram stains, and that's assuming there is no need for expensive blood work, X-rays, medications, or anything else). You mention that your parents will help and I'm glad they are onboard, but my parents were onboard too... Until one day they weren't. And they decided the vet bill wasn't worth it, the expensive food wasn't worth it, etc. a universal fact of life is that the person paying the bills gets to make the choices. By relying on income from you parents for your pet, you put your bird at the mercy of their priorities, not yours. You said you are willing to wait a few years and that really sounds like a wise choice; one too many people your age are not mature enough to make.

This also speaks to your college plans; never EVER assume someone else, even your parents, will be willing to keep your bird for any length of time, especially for YEARS for you to go to school. And what about the poor bird who doesn't understand why they are locked up all the time now, and why their favorite person is never around? What if they start to pluck? To scream? To bite everyone because they are so upset over this? Some parrots even chew holes in themselves because of this sort of upset.

You mention that you aren't sure the bird will live long enough for college to be an issue. I have to be really honest here and say that is a HUGE red flag for me. Unfortunately it tells me you have done almost no research. Assuming you go to college in about 6 years (at age 18), even a little parakeet should live much longer than that (8-12 years). Cockatiels and similar sized birds live up to 30 years, and larger parrots can live 70+. The lifespan of parrots is a HUGE factor here.

As for Conures being nippy/rude, and hating toes, or being one person birds; I strongly disagree. I have 7 Conures in my living room at this very moment and not a single one of them fits that description. It's an issue of individual personality, socialization, training, environment, even diet plays into it. I'm sorry, and I mean this with all respect, but it sounds like your initial idea that it might be good to wait a few more years is right on target.

I do have a couple of suggestions though

First, volunteering at a local rescue

Second, fostering birds in need of a safe place

Both of those are good ways to gather knowledge, scratch thee "second bird itch" and still be responsible and wise.


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Excellent questions and suggestion posts SilverSage you posted what I would have asked.

Welcome to the forum Raven12, I look forward to pics of your nippy tiel and other pet friends. I hope you get some ideas of what type of bird you might be interested in owning.





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Excellent questions and suggestion posts SilverSage you posted what I would have asked.

Welcome to the forum Raven12, I look forward to pics of your nippy tiel and other pet friends. I hope you get some ideas of what type of bird you might be interested in owning.
Thanks! My tiel is not nippy, my friend's conure is, ahah!
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I have actually met very few nippy tiels; they get "beak slap happy" though lol.


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Hello and welcome to the forum!

I think that so far you've had some brilliant advice from SilverSage but I will offer my own advice too. I've been keeping birds now since I was super young and I had a family that was supportive in letting me do so. I have felt the Multiple Bird Syndrome urges and I've gone with them. I have also been naive and skipped through certain areas without much care. The absolute BIGGEST thing that I regret from when I was about 16-17 years old and stepping up into bigger parrots was that I didn't understand the importance of quarantining new birds and getting blood work done. I would do the whole keep the bird away from your others for 30 days + and then that would be it. I had never had issues before and I had been breeding cockatiels, budgies and red fronted kakarikis since I started out. I did not expect to bring in a bird that needed help (it was an aviary cockatiel who I still own) and have it kill nearly all of my birds. The bird was perfectly healthy looking minus a horrific wing clip. She looked amazing and she was young. My birds started dropping like flies and I had necropsies done. They had psittacosis. A few weeks/months after I had bought this seemingly healthy bird into my flock. I then had to treat an enormous amount of birds in my aviaries with antibiotics for a considerable amount of time. It cost a fortune and I was young. I had a bit of money that managed to pay for it but I only just scraped by. Fast forward to me now. I'm 22 soon. My knowledge has vastly expanded but I am still in awkward situations when it comes to the birds. I have a house, a fiance and a job but you NEVER know when a vets fee is going to pop up and knock you on your butt. This goes for any animal. My seemingly healthy dog collapsed and cost us hundreds to have her emergency vetted, euthanised and cremated all in one day. I have been very lucky that my grandparents adopted me when I was young and my nan had a very highly respected job and a lot of money. I've been able to get in sticky situations with my animals and have her bail me out of it. I cannot do that anymore. If any of my animals are sick, they HAVE to go to the vet. I keep a lot of different exotics, not just birds, so my situation is a lot more different but I'm just letting you know now that one animal can really leave you out of pocket and if you don't personally have the money to take them to the vet and your parents could refuse to pay because 'it's just a bird' then you'll end up heartbroken or with a sick bird you can't do anything with. I know all of this may sound like I'm trying to put you off but I promise you that's not what I'm doing. I'm only telling it you because I've been there and done that and hated myself for it. There's nothing worse than feeling responsible for something that could have easily being avoided... That said!

If you can maybe pull together $400 then I don't recommend you get a bird that is expensive to buy. If you're getting a bird and you're going to take them to the vet for their full work up that alone would cost that much. Then add the cage, toys, food etc. and you're forking out a ton. I know you've said that you dislike conures, but if you want a bird that is hands on, not too loud (in the case of pyhurra conures), not too tiny and very friendly then a conure is the bird for you. They're awesome birds. They CAN go through a nippy phase but it can easily be corrected with training and patience. It happens usually between 1.5 and 2 years old for the pyhurras and it's a pain but it's easy to get rid of. The green cheeks come in some amazing colour mutations (my personal favourite was what my first ever hand reared bird was and that's a turquoise yellow sided!) too

If you don't want a bird that is going to live until you go to college then I recommend volunteering or fostering like SilverSage said. That way you bite the bug and you get tons more experience with different species. You won't be tied down to them, won't be responsible for their vets bills and you still get to have that awesome companionship. I have fostered myself and it's very rewarding. At least then you can wait until after college and see where your life takes you. Birds unfortunately don't always fit in and that's why so many end up being put in rescues or passed around

Just my thoughts anyway! I hope they aren't too daunting but as somebody who's been in similar situations I can honestly say I have a lot of birdy regrets that I wish I could go back in time and change so I would do it the right way
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Hello, my name is Gracelyn but some people call me Grace.

I'm looking for a cuddly intelligent companion to be a long time friend. I would love to be able to take him/her to places and I'm willing to spend the time training him/her. (depending on the species I want to teach it a few tricks for fun). I'm not looking for another cockatiel, definitely not a hell conure (sarcastically speaking, not to offend anyone). I was wanting something bigger than a conure/cockatiel. Talking is not the most important feature but I suppose that would be cool.
Okay, so Raven 12.

I would like to know your reasoning for wanting another bird? Is there something wrong with the cockatiel you have now? Can you not do all those things mentioned above with the bird you already have?

I know you mentioned "Hell Conure" I know you said it was your friend's Conure but that makes me worried a little bit. I am worried because if you understood bird nature you would know that all birds bite, eventually.... A friends Conure could bite you because they haven't trusted you yet. You're not the birds friend so to speak. So expecting anything different isn't impossible with good socialization, but lack of education can make it impossible. I do however feel you're making a first great attempt at seeking advice from people who know what it's like to have a bird or multiples.

I personally have 4 birds and I can say without a shadow of a doubt it is very hard to have birds while being in a different level of education such as College or University. I am currently in my third year of University and I run out of time to spend with my feathered friends. I sometimes feel terribly bad for them when I can't always spend time with them. Eg. when I have to go a week without paying them much attention because of a midterms, papers or final exams coming up. It is all really challenging. I've gone long times without giving fresh foods because of the time it takes to prep. I've learned, and over the years I've gotten much better at managing my time, but it has been extremely hard. I love all my birds, but if I could have just had one bird it might have made it a little easier. I don't regret any of my birds so please don't take it that way. I just know that one is a whole lot easier when your prepping foods, waters, cleaning cages, buying supplies etc... It is really hard to plan out all the extra's people don't think about normally when you have multiple birds. You have extra time now and I understand that, but that will change as you get a job or life changes, boyfriends etc... it all changes how much extra time you'll have later in life compared to now.

I think you were given great advice above. Volunteer... at bird sanctuary, local animal shelters, bird rescues as long as you don't have allergies or a vet clinic if the others aren't an option. You can learn a lot and it can get rid of the itch of maybe getting another bird right now. Basically unless your parents are wanting another bird, I would hold off.

I hope this helped.

Welcome as well and Good Luck in everything you decide.
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