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Hmm...guess a forum wasnt what I needed, Is there a chat room for parrot owners? I have recently adopted 2 amazons, I have experience with teils. I have some experience with larger birds as well but not enough to puzzle out the issues I am seeing. I didnt want the birds to go to some home with no experience where they would likely be passed on for screaming or worse.
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Welcome, what Zons do you have?

I have a rescue Orange Winged myself and have worked with Blue Fronts so feel free to message me or ask away on here and I will do my best to help you out.
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I took 2 amazons, not sure if they are male or female...the previous owner had them for a year and she bought them separately. I think they bonded during the time she owned them. She didnt have time for them and listed them in a local circular for sale, luckily no one showed any interest. I was worried they would go to a home that had no experience with larger birds and what kind of attention they need. My friend was told that the Blue Front is a male and the yellow nape is a female and they are both under 3 yrs of age. The yellow nape is very territorial and aggressive, she bites to draw blood and charges when you get near the cage. The Blue Front is friendly and will bite lightly when he doesnt want touched, he however does enjoy being touched but is terrified of a hand held perch and does not want to be removed from inside or on top of the cage. These things present training problems.
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I cant help the male with perching without getting bit by the female, would it be okay to put them in adjoining cages so I can safley work with one? The female will be a challenge but nothing I cant manage. They have also displayed some mating rituals, Im not sure if it is okay for them to mate. I know that they probably would but is it morally okay? Thank you all for your replies, I was on a diffent forum and no one answers.
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I have a Blue Front and a Yellow nape.
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I cant help the male with perching without getting bit by the female, would it be okay to put them in adjoining cages so I can safley work with one? The female will be a challenge but nothing I cant manage. They have also displayed some mating rituals, Im not sure if it is okay for them to mate. I know that they probably would but is it morally okay? Thank you all for your replies, I was on a diffent forum and no one answers.
Do you know if they were hand-reared, parent-reared, wild caught etc and what sort of upbringing they had.

The first thing I would do is get DNA tests done so you know what your dealing with.

On the mating I personally would not allow them to breed as they would not be pure bred, there is no need to breed them.

If the birds are bonded which is likely if they are showing mating behaviours you may stress them out by separating them even if you place the cages together.
You could try getting them out the cage one at a time and training them that way.

Yellow Naped are known for being hot headed especially during breeding season so you will have your work cut out for you with that one if you want to tame/ train them.

What do you want to get out of these birds?
With them being together for a year they will have bonded and will likely bond strongly with each other, you might never get a close bond with them as you are effectively the outsider.
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I took 2 amazons, not sure if they are male or female...the previous owner had them for a year and she bought them separately. I think they bonded during the time she owned them. She didnt have time for them and listed them in a local circular for sale, luckily no one showed any interest. I was worried they would go to a home that had no experience with larger birds and what kind of attention they need. My friend was told that the Blue Front is a male and the yellow nape is a female and they are both under 3 yrs of age. The yellow nape is very territorial and aggressive, she bites to draw blood and charges when you get near the cage. The Blue Front is friendly and will bite lightly when he doesnt want touched, he however does enjoy being touched but is terrified of a hand held perch and does not want to be removed from inside or on top of the cage. These things present training problems.
Yellow Naped sounds cage aggressive and possibly protective of their 'mate'.

As for the Blue Front and the perch training if you can get him out the cage on his own use his favourite treat and with time once he is comfortable taking food from you, you can get him to slowly step onto your arm/ hand, starting with one foot praising, then another foot praising, till eventually he is fully standing on you and you can move him away from the cage, you may also be able to get him to fly to you. He likely does not want to leave his cage at the moment as he knows it is a safe place to be.

How long have you had them now? It could take them a couple of years to start settling in properly, especially if they have been passed around a lot.
You are also looking at a long time to get any form of bond with them if they have not been interacted with much.

As well as getting them DNA'd I would get them both microchipped and health tested, get it all done in one and if they have leg rings make a note of the numbers and type of leg ring for your records, get a good profile of them including pictures which are updated just in case they ever get out etc.
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I would like to be able to handle them, the male will allow touch and already takes food from me, he just does not want to be separated from the cage. I understand that they may never be as affectionate as some fof the birds I have had. I want them to be healthy and happy first, I dont know that I will ever be able to handle the female she is really going to be a challenge. The hardest part is not knowing their history, they are not banded. Im was affraid that they would wind up with someone who has zero knowledge and be either ornaments or neglected, even abused. Amazons would not have been my first choice, I love teils or would have preferred a grey. My friend was so desparate to be rid of them I was affraid of whom she may have given them to. I have already gotten the screaming under control by ignoring it and rewarding when they talk instead. I have the male waving when he wants to see me, he usually tries to regurgitate as soon as I get close though, not sure just how attached he wants to be..lol. I really appreciate all the advice, Ive worked with and owned birds for a long time just not as knowledgeable about zons as I am others.
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I would like to be able to handle them, the male will allow touch and already takes food from me, he just does not want to be separated from the cage. I understand that they may never be as affectionate as some fof the birds I have had. I want them to be healthy and happy first, I dont know that I will ever be able to handle the female she is really going to be a challenge. The hardest part is not knowing their history, they are not banded. Im was affraid that they would wind up with someone who has zero knowledge and be either ornaments or neglected, even abused. Amazons would not have been my first choice, I love teils or would have preferred a grey. My friend was so desparate to be rid of them I was affraid of whom she may have given them to. I have already gotten the screaming under control by ignoring it and rewarding when they talk instead. I have the male waving when he wants to see me, he usually tries to regurgitate as soon as I get close though, not sure just how attached he wants to be..lol. I really appreciate all the advice, Ive worked with and owned birds for a long time just not as knowledgeable about zons as I am others.
Be mindful of the waving, Amazons will warn before they bite you and one of the ways they do this is by raising their foot up. If you want to teach waving it is best to have them open and close their foot to do it so you do not confuse what they are trying to tell you.
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