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Some worry that the soil is dangerous. And it maybe true with potting mix in sealed plastic bags, if it has been bagged for along time. Best course of action is to dry it out in sunlight before using. That may reduce some molds that it may contain.
Budgies and Tiels are ground feeders so they will be used to eating some soil. I know my guys liked diving into empty pots. (Empty because they had torn out what was growing in them.
 

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I think the safest choice is using your own compost. Store bought soil usually has fertilizers
 

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If we are looking for simple ways to sprout.
I feel the way I do it is about as simple as it can get.
When I do sprout I only do one seed, grain, or bean in each jar or pot. I will explain why below.
The first key to sprouting has to be good fresh seed, that has not been heat treated or processed in any way. Half of the seed mixes and more like 80% I tried when I first got into birds was rubbish.
Dealing with that is simple enough. Break some open and look at the kernels. Do they look like they are fleshy or all dried up! Next test soak some and see if they germinate. And what percentage if they do. If only a few sprout go buy some new seed from somewhere else.
Now why do I only sprout one seed, grain, or bean type at any one time. Because of the different times each of them take to germinate.
Mung beans can sprout in under 48hrs. Grass seed 10 to12 days. So you see where I am coming from here.
Another point I try to make is that if you are looking for serving when they are at their peak it has to be from germination (soak seed) to when the tails are around .5in long. After that they are on their way down. And I would never store in the fridge. It's fresh or throw out. I only do what I need for a few days, again if I do not use them all in those few days I throw them away.

Mung Beans: Why Mung Beans. Google them and you will see why I thing they are one of the best foods, add to that the fact that sprout so easy.
Take a few spoon fulls and put in my little jar rinse and soak over night or during the day. Then rinse again and drain. Do this every half day. And you will have Mung Bean sprouts in 3days.
Placement of jars! window sill, cupboard, preferably where you see them so you get used to rinsing and draining. These two are the keys to success.











 

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EDIT: i am sorry that i moved some of my photos around on photo bucket and now they are not on this thread!! i will try and re post the original thread :eek:
 

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for a while i have wanted to sprout seed for my flock but never knew how. i tried a few ways, but it always tired out gross and smelly. i have tried sprouting them in-between moist coffee filters and just in a cup.

Fear not!! i will share my success

supplies:
- good seed mix (i recommend Higgins Supreme Parakeet blend)
- canning jar
- mesh
- hungry birds!

1. start with a good brand of seed. i use Higgins Supreme Parakeet, which is very basic and only consists of 4 seeds. my flock wastes a lot with other seed brands because of the odd seeds or the pellets added. with higgins, there is zero waste. also, you can sprout mixes with pellets, but the water might get dirty!

2. add as much seed as you want for one day of feeding into your canning jar

3. put the 'sealing' lid aside as you will not need it and replace it with the mesh

4. rince the seeds a few times. i do not use vinegar in the soaking process. i only use vinegar when i am soaking my barley seeds for fodder for my rabbit. so, no need for vinegar!

5. after rinsing, fill the jar with water so it covers the seeds. seed that float can be thrown out or left. some will sink at the day goes on. i usually start rinsing and soaking when i get up.

6. i have done varying times for soaking from 12-15 hours. currently i am doing 12 +/- hours and it works great. i drain the seed before i go to bed and let them sit at a downward angle.

soaking seeds on the left and sprouting on the right (its horizontal just for the picture!)


having the seeds a a correct angle. it should be fine for whatever angle you choose, i have seen people do it with the jar completely upside down.



7. to make this clearer- day one in the morning you will rise and soak, at night on day one you will drain and let the seed sit at an angle. rinse the seeds if they appear to be drying out. day two in the morning, you should see a little white spot on the seed which is the root. i feed them at this point. if you want to wait longer, there will be a bigger root. i have heard that the bigger the root, the less nutrition is in the seed. my first time i waited a few days which is why the root is so big in the pic. again, i prefer to feed them in the morning on day two

first batch, sprouts are long. i don't have a picture of second day sprouts!



the leaf was even starting to grow. they did not eat the root or the leaf, hence why i recommend feeding on day two (i think you understand by now :) )



cheerio the sprouts addict! she was the first to fall in love and now they all will fight over them!! (a great food for the picky budgie )



and i did mention that i tried sprouting seed in moist coffee filters and it didn't really work well, BUT!! i did manage to sprout flax seed! using this method a while ago when i was growing seed (i'll put pics of that at the bottom) i soaked some flax seed for a day and threw it in a planter box. a while later i checked and it grew! next year i will plant it in the beginning of the planting season to see how much it can grow.

anyways... i soaked some flax seed for 12-15 hours~ i can't remember~ and then i put them in a moist/wet coffee filter and covered them. i kept it wet and after a few days....



and so i waited some more days and....!!



the seeds are sticky in an oily sense, but cheerio still liked them. i am going to try this again


last but not least, this is the failed sprouting seed that i threw in a planter and it grew. the birds loved the fresh seed and i am going to plant a lot more next year!! the red millet is black and the white millet is green





yum!



let me know if you have any questions :)

EDIT:

this is seeds on the second day of sprouting, when i feed them.




also, i used this method on beans and it did make them sprout. i also continued this method for several more days until the leave started to develop. the fids did not really care for the sprouts and prefer to eat them on the second day
 

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I just want to put an update:

i started sprouting again (i do it on/off so i can wash the jars in between) and the last time i sprouted i would start soaking in the morning and i would forget to drain and rinse them that night, therefore leaving them soaking for 24 hours, and making sprouting take 2 days. this time around i am back to keeping my self on schedule for soaking then morning to night and then draining and rinsing them at night. it might just be the warmer weather, but the following morning, i am able to feed the sprouts because they look like the "2 day sprouts" from above.

this has made it convenient because i am not filling up counter space with lots of jars to keep a supply going for every day, but it also allows me to wash one jar and use another. for example i used jar 1 to soak sprout and feed and then when i start a new jar for the next day, i use jar 2 and soak jar 1 with vinegar and water. the next day i sprout with jar 1 and wash jar 2, etc etc. This keeps a clean jar available for the next day. when the newly cleaned jar is dry, i fill it with the desired about of seed and put the mesh and lid back on so it is all ready to fill with water to soak.

this keeps a steady daily supply of fresh "living" sprouts for the fids, with using limited space!
 
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I just want to put an update:

i started sprouting again (i do it on/off so i can wash the jars in between) and the last time i sprouted i would start soaking in the morning and i would forget to drain and rinse them that night, therefore leaving them soaking for 24 hours, and making sprouting take 2 days. this time around i am back to keeping my self on schedule for soaking then morning to night and then draining and rinsing them at night. it might just be the warmer weather, but the following morning, i am able to feed the sprouts because they look like the "2 day sprouts" from above.

this has made it convenient because i am not filling up counter space with lots of jars to keep a supply going for every day, but it also allows me to wash one jar and use another. for example i used jar 1 to soak sprout and feed and then when i start a new jar for the next day, i use jar 2 and soak jar 1 with vinegar and water. the next day i sprout with jar 1 and wash jar 2, etc etc. This keeps a clean jar available for the next day. when the newly cleaned jar is dry, i fill it with the desired about of seed and put the mesh and lid back on so it is all ready to fill with water to soak.

this keeps a steady daily supply of fresh "living" sprouts for the fids, with using limited space!

I'm going to try sprouting like you suggest here, I have usually waited until the seeds have a 1/4 inch sprout but my birds ignored them every time I tried this.

Perhaps your suggestion of the seeds just cracking and beginning to sprout might appeal more to the boys. :)
 

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Okay so now I feel like a real lard but I have never tried Sprouting seeds is there a huge benefit?.. if it has already been stated I am sorry I didn't read all the posts..
 

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I should probably also state that my birds get a lot of fresh food and veggies I just haven't done seed sprouting... So I do feed my birds a good diet I have just never looked into sprouting.
 

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well i don't know the specifics of how much fat and what not are in dry versus sprouted, but i can say that since it is a living food, it is healthier. seeds are fatty and i i understand correctly, when the seed starts to grow, it uses the fat for energy....maybe thats wrong, don't take my word for it :p

also, i don't think i posted this on here yet, but my seed that i am growing is doing well (despite the fact that a tree frog is living in there...) and i have been taking pictures of the growth of the grass. i also have flax growing with it which appears to be doing well. last year i started flax too late just to see if it would grow, and it did, but then it got too cold out. so this is the first time i am letting flax grow. when the grass and flax have seed sprays and i harvest them and take pics, i will post all of the pics. keep an eye out in a few months for a new thread of "How to grow seed". also i have been successful so far with growing spray millet. i have yet to see how big it gets and if it does have grow sprays in the end :)

edit: well i actually might try and plant a new batch outside in the ground- i just looked up "growing flax" and saw that it gets very tall!! i will still let my current flax grow. i never knew that flax was a flowering plant :eek:

*not my picture*

 
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well i don't know the specifics of how much fat and what not are in dry versus sprouted, but i can say that since it is a living food, it is healthier. seeds are fatty and i i understand correctly, when the seed starts to grow, it uses the fat for energy....maybe thats wrong, don't take my word for it :p

also, i don't think i posted this on here yet, but my seed that i am growing is doing well (despite the fact that a tree frog is living in there...) and i have been taking pictures of the growth of the grass. i also have flax growing with it which appears to be doing well. last year i started flax too late just to see if it would grow, and it did, but then it got too cold out. so this is the first time i am letting flax grow. when the grass and flax have seed sprays and i harvest them and take pics, i will post all of the pics. keep an eye out in a few months for a new thread of "How to grow seed". also i have been successful so far with growing spray millet. i have yet to see how big it gets and if it does have grow sprays in the end :)

edit: well i actually might try and plant a new batch outside in the ground- i just looked up "growing flax" and saw that it gets very tall!! i will still let my current flax grow. i never knew that flax was a flowering plant :eek:

*not my picture*



I look forward to your posts and adventures in growing seeds for your fids.
 

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I should probably also state that my birds get a lot of fresh food and veggies I just haven't done seed sprouting... So I do feed my birds a good diet I have just never looked into sprouting.

I had to sprout seeds for Peepers as sprouted seeds are low in fat and the fat from just eating plain seeds is bad for my little canary. Peepers had a horrible diet of only one type of seed for almost 2 years of his life.

The canary seed he ate caused him to have fatty liver disease, so I had to give him sprouted light colored seeds only, as well as a diet of fresh veggies and some proteins.
 

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I have a friend who has a bird they live in Labrador, getting food out there is really difficult and extremely expensive. A loaf of bread can be as expensive as $22 dollars a jar of cheese wiz was over $30. So you can imagine what lettuce or kale or any fresh veggies and fruits would be like there.

She decided to sprout her seeds to make sure the seeds were fresh and it cut down on the cost she would have had to spend buying expensive produce in the winter for her bird.

Smart!
 

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Shelly sent you a PM, before I see that you had already noticed missing photos.

Now I have an update on sprouting.
I got a new Alexandrine (Alex male 6yr). And I have Sophie (14mth Eclectus) So decided to expand my sprouting. This came about, as when talking to a breeder they showed me their sprouting results using just a plastic bag to sprout in. They were using Topflight Soak & Sprout. I checked it out and Topflight were good enough to send me the contents list. What put me off was the amount of kibbled things in it. I would perfer to put things that will not sprout in after sprouting, even if I had to soak that in separate container.
So I went shopping. Local market, my wholesale supply, and a bulk store come health store. And also found a few things to try at the supermarket.
As I was not sure how some would sprout and different amount of times to germinate. Decided to do them in different jars.
It is winter here and the temps are getting down around 10c at night, and still sprouting can be done without any real problems. The sprouts below took 4days, but I di put some out after 3days as soak seed.
First lot was great and well liked.
I am not sure about Soy Beans yet! I left them out first time, but have included them in the lot I am doing now. Please research this, before using. I found conflicting comments and so called facts.
Flax seed. Be careful. Look at the photo of how they turned into a gooey messy. I knew this, as I have done it before.


The vid is of the photos along the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z9x-EYjplU










So I mixed them all into a plastic bag, and then rinsed them. Keep rinsing untill the water is clear.


As I did so many I had to put in fridge. I rinsed them every day and used ACV in the rinse. Used for 4days. I would not use them after that.
And as you can see in this photo the water is cloudy after each day in the fridge. So remember rinsing is very important. And my Mantra. Smell Feel Taste. Any doubt throw out. Rinse and drain. Do not leave in water.


And messy beaks are happy beaks.


Shophie got to the point she would follow me in the morning watching me prep the food for the day and as soon as the sprout mix went up on the cage she was there. So pleasing as she was a seed junky when I got her.

Now what was in this mix
Sunflower
Safflower
Wheat
Hulled Oats
Whole Oats
Barley
Pumpkin seed
Rape seed
Cockatiel seed mix
Blue peas
Maple peas
Grass seed
Soy
Mung beans
Maize
Adzuki beans.

I have been checking out Soy.
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/03/28/avoid-using-soy-on-pets.aspx

And will be removing them from this mix. Seems a friend was right to tell of the dangers of soy.
Found some Quinoa yesterday so adding that to the new batch.
Flax seed will have to go in as dry seed, when served, only.
 

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Wow! Looks like you made quite a meal (or desert!) for your fids :) yes, the flax do get a little gel around them. I have found that rinsing them helps get rid of that.
 

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Sprouting in a baggie.

Clive I was just reading your post and have a couple questions.
I see that you have a wide variety of seed in the zip loc back sprouting at once. Do they not all have different germination times and how do you handle this?
Also, how do you rinse the sprouts in a bag? And how do you drain them?

I have tried a bit of sprouting but without a whole lot of success. I have lots of spout mixes i have bought and tower sprouter so I really need to get back at it.

I am also on city water which has chlorine in it. Can I rinse with this or should i only use bottled water (spring)?

Thank you for any help. These threads have been very interesting to read.
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Yes I am still working out which take longer. That is one of the reasons they are all indifferent jars. As well as seeing if any of them are not viable.
I used the bag to mix all the different jars together after they were sprouted in the jars. So not sprouted or stored in there.
I use a strainer (kitchen) when rinsing.Just tip the whole lot in the strainer and rinse under the tap drain and back in the container. And I have made a tray to go in the container you see, will get a picture up soon.so they are not sitting in water. The cloudy water was where I had just filled it up before rinsing, to show that the water can go cloudy if left.
Sounds like your water will do fine.
If you can find Mung Beans, try sprouting just these on their own. Makes good practice and they will sprout very quickly.
 

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Now we are rocking.
Practice makes for better results.


I am now doing about 1kg at a time.
Start with Maze and Grass seed. Soak these for 24hrs and rinse a couple of times.
Then soak in another two jars.
Adzuka beans
Mung beans
Quinoa
Buckwheat
Barley
Wheat
Sunflower
Safflower
Maple Peas
Blue Peas
Rape seed

So dropped a few of the things I was trying.

Once sprouted i am keeping in fridge, rinse every day. And feed over four days.
When I run out I use Soak & Sprout mix.
This stops them from becoming bored.
Sophie is now all most dry seed free. She is loving her sprouting mix. She is now even going across to the top of the other cage where I also put some out for the Tiels.
 
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