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Understanding the mind of your grey and other parrots


2600 years ago, Sun Tzu wrote his Ping Fa better known perhaps to you as 'The Art of War'

One fundamental underlie his thoughts in his PingFa.

知 己 知 彼
zhi ji zhi bi

百 战 百 胜
bai zhan bai sheng

or

Know yourself, Know your opponent
A hundred battles, a hundred victory.

I am not saying we treat our grey as an enemy to do battle with.

But if we understand them, it may make it that much easier to live with them and to train with them.

Whether you want to train with them as friends, or to train them as you the "Alpha', understanding their mind must help.

And perhaps those that thought they must dominate them and be the Alpha might even change their mind instead.

And perhaps those that have been bitten and otherwise terrorised by their grey might be bitten a lot less and enjoy their parrot a lot more, and find training with them a lot easier. And in bonding with them.

If you understand the mentality of your parrot, that might go a long way to becoming friends together. And save you lot of pain and heartaches in the process.


Notwithstanding that was written in early 2005, I cannot add further to that.

I think this is one of the most important of the many entries I have written over the last ten years.

I find what I wrote to be applicable to my currently living with Riamfada, and to Yingshiong even if YS was not a grey.


My 2 cents and for all it is worth.

An extract from Tinkerbell Legacy

Tinkerbell Legacy - Living with a flying parrot - Rant 03 (a flighted parrot mentality)

shanlung: Tinkerbell Legacy - - Rant 03 (a flighted parrot mentality) & Understanding the mind of your grey
 

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great post, I enjoyed reading it, thank you for sharing!
 

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Home made toys, perches & foraging for Riamfada

What I created were not exactly toys. A bit too big for toys.
Neither were they just perches. Lets say play stations and foraging stations for the birdie to go amuse herself on.
Very important for flighted birdie for birdie to have areas that he/she really likes. For him/her to do their own thing.

That needed nothing but sisal ropes and driftwoods and other inexpensive stuff.

That was the rational behind the perches that I did for my birdies. And after a short period of getting used to wobbly unstable perches, I found by far my birdies preferred to be on those wobbly perches than on solid steady perches.

So much better for development of leg muscles and sense of balance.
And lot more fun for them.

You might think of doing the same as well as making toys.

Too difficult for words. Photos and videos will show that a lot better.

Riamfada - Just being at home
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/103835.html

Riamfada foraging // 3 days 2 nights at Wadi Bani Awf
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/107799.html


Rants //Staying home with Riamfada & back2room & sharp turning // Shedding
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/117091.html


Pakistan//Riamfada at home//Dommie at the beach again Ramadhan 2010 //Villa
walkabout 3
http://shanlung.livejournal.com/119381.html
 

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your bird really seems to enjoy everything you've made for her. All of the swings and foraging things are great. I hope to make something like that soon, they look so much fun!
 

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wow, the photos on your blog never fail to amaze me, they're so beautiful, especially of the cat on the beach
 

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wow, the photos on your blog never fail to amaze me, they're so beautiful, especially of the cat on the beach
They did for me, birdies or beasties, a lot more as a friend than if I ever try to command them.

All that is required is to give them the respect, consideration and dignity due to intelligent sentients equal to yourself.

It truly is that simple.
 

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I visited a friend who loved fids. He warned me that they bite. It was my first visit to him and them.

I felt that biting is done if we intrude into their space. I have the conviction of what I wrote. I stood near them for about 15-20 minutes, watching them from corner of my eyes.
They were beautiful so I could speak from my heart to them how gorgeous they looked. They then made eye contact with me. Only then did I made eye contact back to them. And I knew they would be ok with me. Then I offered an arm.
And they decided it would be nicer to get on my arm then to chew that off. And they did more than just stepping up to my arm.






With 2 BP2s and U2 on me and M2s and Zons behind me.

I treat my smaller birdies the same way I treat those big birds. That even my 30 gram softbills have the jaws that can chomp off an arm.

When people say their birdie bite them regardless of how nice they are to them, sadly, they focused only on the bite. Unless the birdie is truly neurotic, birdie will not bite to hurt.

The biting is the tail end of chain of events that might have been missed out. I wrote quite explicitly in my
shanlung: Tinkerbell Legacy - - Rant 03 (a flighted parrot mentality) & Understanding the mind of your grey

just what to look for. I do believe if what I wrote is heeded, you do not get bitten.

What I write in this thread is only the tip of the iceberg. The iceberg is in my Livejournal entry. Perhaps if one read that, and heed what I wrote,that might save them a lot of unnecessary chompings from their birdies

And more important, you have the magic and joy of a relationship with your bird that cannot be bettered with any other methods.
 

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All that is required is to give them the respect, consideration and dignity due to intelligent sentients equal to yourself.
It truly is that simple.
I'll have to mention that to Krikkit the conure the next time she's biting the hell out of my neck, taking a dump on my head, or screaming bloody murder directly into my ear...

-- mnw
 
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Those palm cockatoos are absolutely beautiful. :lovehearts:

I once read an article in which someone said "we don't own birds, we have the privilege of co-habitating with them" -- which I found to be very accurate. Birds have a greater propensity to be "wild" than your typical dog or cat, and I think a lot of people don't respect that in them. A bird is not generally bred for traits of domesticity like a dog is, but for coloration and beauty. Fortunately or unfortunately that means that traits like cuddliness and playfulness are not the main reason for trying to mate birds. And besides, birds are picky about who they choose to mate with and, unlike dogs, seem to have a silent preference for traits we as humans can't even see! So even if we did try to breed domesticity INTO birds, I think we wouldn't have much luck.

I find that my cockatiel and dove seem to like when I speak to them as I would do another person in my house. They don't like baby voices or babble, but if I talk in a standard tone or in a soft soothing voice they respond well.
 

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Miniflock,

Getting a load of crap is an occupational hazard when you have birdies. Tinkerbell loved to give ear splitting wolf whistles when on my shoulder and when a pretty girl is nearby with a huge boy friend in tow. I had to point to her when the irate boyfriend stared my way. Luckily they laughed at that all the time. But getting chomped on the neck is not so good even if your birdie is a conure.

Popcorn,

All birdies are gorgeous to me. But those BP2s were stunning and affectionate.

Its a fact that other than for farmyard chickens and ducks, all other birdies are wild. Even those bred in captivity. That does not mean that they cannot be friends and be affectionate with you.

Pay them the respect , courtesy and consideration due to fellow sentients and they respond back much more than you realised that they would.
 

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Your choice of having magic in your life with your birdie, or getting chomped and chomped and chomped on.
 

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Your choice of having magic in your life with your birdie, or getting chomped and chomped and chomped on.
Actually, Krikkit hasn't done any of the three things I mentioned since I originally posted, though she has done some things that are much worse!

Anyway, to be clear, I meant my previous statements to be taken with some irony. She's my "big baby bird", no matter WHAT she does!

- mf
 

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With so many other postings on being chomped and getting chomped on, perhaps time to kick this up.
To give those chompees food for thought as to why they got chomped, and how to change their relationships with their chompers into one with magic, and little chomping.
 

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I love your way of thinking.
When my IRN bit me, I thought what led to it.
Now he hadn't bit properly for months.
He only nips when I push him.
He is my best birdie friend.
Your philosophy had helped so much.
Thank you
 

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I am now in Riyadh, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
I was called down when travelling about in Annapurna in Nepal in October last year.

I have not been here for a long time. I hope you all do not mind my kicking this up so folks can have more fun with their birdies and be chomped a lot less and get a lot more magic if they try to understand them as the first step of being their real friend and companion.
 

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No problem! Glad to see you're back on here :)
 
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