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I always browse on these out of general interest. There's always loads of really cool stuff that you hardly anybody in the UK has, so I always like to have a look!

Many of the advertisers do 'shipping'. I know this usually means around the US but does anybody know if I could import anything to the UK at some point in my life? I don't know what I have to go through to import an animal/bird, but I'd obviously not be doing it yet haha! Does anybody know what the rules and regulations are etc for importing birds to the UK? And what I'd have to go through, and perhaps even the potential costs of shipping and quarrantine (most likely spelt wrong :eek:) ?

Thanks guys!

Also the websites I've been looking at that you guys might like to browse on are:

http://www.hookbillsforsale.com/birdsforsale.asp - obviously parrots and parroty things :p

http://www.softbillsforsale.com/softbills-sale.asp - softbills, usually toucans, aracaris, rollers, bulbuls etc

http://www.livestock-forsale.com/livestock_for_sale.asp - bit of everything, dogs, cats, rabbits etc and cattle like animals :lol:

http://www.raptorsforsale.com/raptors-for-sale.asp - birds of prey, I was VERY angry at somebody saying Eurasian eagle owls make great pets. Not only do they cost $3000-$5000+ but regardless to being hand tame they are EXTREMELY aggressive and VERY large. They're like 4 times bigger than what Axel was. Mine is called Juggernaut for a reason ;)

http://www.fishforsale.org/fish-for-sale.asp - fish :thumbsup:

http://www.exoticanimalsforsale.net/animalsforsale.asp - awesome exotics :eek: like ring-tailed lemurs, wild cats, hedgehogs etc

Thought I'd share :giggle:
 

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Daisy,
I have never imported nor exported animals. I have met people who have sold llamas to purchasers in the UK. I have no idea what that entailed, but llamas are considered domestic animals.

I would suggest you ask people in the UK who have imported animals.

I do know three people who have had monkeys in the past. They are HORRIBLE in captivity. That is my opinion, but I'm sticking to it.
 

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I don't mind seeing them in zoos because they seem to have so much space and they get mental stimulation but I can imagine some people just throw them in a cage and expect them to wear clothes and do tricks :( I would love to keep exotics but just not monkeys.

But thanks for the advice :)
 

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I read something today written by someone who was very against about keeping animals in zoos as well as keeping birds in cages. That makes me kind of angry, being accused of "torturing" these birds by keeping them "locked up in a tiny cage" for my own "entertainment". You know how much I and just about everywhere here does for their birds? How much we go out of the way to keep our birds happy and healthy? I don't know, it just irritates me. They are ignorant and obviously know very little about parrot owners. I know there are some people who don't treat their birds very well, but still they are making a generalization by saying we all are like that. Sorry for ranting on...I know there's nothing we can do except continue to be good parrot owners.
 

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Oh I could murder people who think they're right about something they know nothing about Abby. We're good owners! They're companions not some thing shoved into a cage. I think I will try and show the world someday that keeping animals in captivity is not only a great way to conserve species, but a great way to learn, educate and observe these animals at close quarters. We also make their lives happy and well cared for, and they make our lives just as happy!

Some people annoy me so much Abby, sadly we just have to tell them they're stupid :lol:
who said that to you?
 

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Abbey - from my understanding, that's a very common attitude in Europe, especially in the UK. My boyfriend's aunt is very much an animal activist and doesn't agree with zoos, thinks they should all be game parks. She was very polite about it, but we did debate how I keep my birds - she decided that me, and people like me, can keep birds even if we clip their wings for safety purposes, but most people shouldn't own them :giggle: I do have to agree with her in part - a lot of people who own birds probably shouldn't but who am I to judge? If the bird is happy, healthy, and loved, then what can I say if their cage is too small or they don't get enough enrichment, or their diet isn't perfect? :shrug:
 

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There are trade offs for any captive animal. None of our domestically hatched birds would make it in the wild. We are totally responsible for providing for them. They did not choose this life. They are safe from predation and starvation with us, but if they could choose, would they choose freedom? I often think that it would be wonderful to train them to fly with an aviator harness, but we have hawks around here. :eek:
 
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And that nanay is why I can't train in my back yard :lol:

Jenny, to be honest I know what you mean. But I know that WE look after our birds very well and so do a lot of other owners. BUT there is always the darker side hmm. It's a shame. Many bad accidents etc have happened in falconry due to people not knowing what they're taking on and everybody is scared that someday it will be banned. I hope it isn't!

But as you say it seems to be worse in Europe and the UK... maybe it is because we don't have as many zoos etc as you guys do. There's a safari park and a zoo not that far from mine but they aren't everywhere. Like when I go to America there's SO many great places to visit. But here not so much. I do know though that Dudley Zoo the place by me that there was the horrible keeping of a killer whale. They had made a dolphin pool... I can assure you it was NOWHERE near the size of ANYTHING a dolphin never mind an orca to live in. I found this little thing in an article

Cuddles was moved, against all advice, to a hurriedly adapted dolphin pool at Dudley - slightly over 15m long and 6m wide and 3.5m deep on the left side of the castle bridge. It was totally inadequate for him , even by the standards of zoos in those days. Initially the plan was to build new dolphin and whale pools at Dudley, then to move him to Marineland in France, but in the end Cuddles suspiciously broke a rib in April 1974, the infection overtook him and he died a few days later.

Very sad isn't it. Thank goodness that zoos have developed since then. I mean look at the size of the tanks at sea world! However if you look at the Japanese 'sea world' the tanks aren't big enough at all. And sadly I remember seeing one video of a false killer whale (kind of like a huge all black slender dolphin) falling out of the tank. There was no room... VERY sad stuff.

I found some pictures of it

LOOK how small that tank is :(
 

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That's completely true. Some people do neglect their birds. But people also neglect other animals like dogs and such, so how is it any different? (Yeah, birds are in a cage, I know...) I personally don't believe I'm doing wrong by keeping my birds. Nanay, your statement really gets me thinking...would our birds choose to be free?
 

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There is no way to know if the birds are "happy", but our domestic babies are not capable of making it in the wild. I have to believe their is some advantage to the safety and comfort we provide.
 

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I think they like that nanay, that they have somebody to care for them. I think they know we mean good :thumbsup:
 
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